Fasterthanyou Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 Hi all, I am looking to move my brake servo from its current location due to an engine change and just wondered on the best place to put it? can it be removed from the engine bay completly and located elsewhere or can it be deleted altogether in favour of something else? any ideas welcomed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamchop77 Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 Hi all, I am looking to move my brake servo from its current location due to an engine change and just wondered on the best place to put it? can it be removed from the engine bay completly and located elsewhere or can it be deleted altogether in favour of something else? any ideas welcomed. You can replace the servo with a twin master cylinder set up and balance bar, one does the front one does the back and you can adjust the bias. The servo can't be moved elsewhere on the car as it is a direct operating servo. You can move it to the front drivers side, behind the headlamp where the gte airbox sits, and attach the brake pedal via a long rod. Only other thing to do is buy a remote servo from another vehicle and fit that instead. HTH Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasterthanyou Posted July 7, 2009 Author Share Posted July 7, 2009 You can replace the servo with a twin master cylinder set up and balance bar, one does the front one does the back and you can adjust the bias. The servo can't be moved elsewhere on the car as it is a direct operating servo. You can move it to the front drivers side, behind the headlamp where the gte airbox sits, and attach the brake pedal via a long rod. Only other thing to do is buy a remote servo from another vehicle and fit that instead. HTH Chris Any ideas where to get the twin mater cylinders from, IE what they would come off originally or can the kit be bought new? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantasrme Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 The twin master cylinder unit is called a bias pedalbox and is available from various places and looks similar to the image bellow (its actually an escort one as i couldn't find a manta pic) As you can see it mounts the master cylinders in the car saving a lot of room in the engine bay (the resevoirs still need to be mounted somewhere, usually in the engine bay) Using this setup will allow you to adjust the braking effect from front to rear. However it will also make the brake pedal a lot harder to push (as there is no servo assistance) What engine are you fitting? Somone else might have already done it and worked out a good brake solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasterthanyou Posted July 7, 2009 Author Share Posted July 7, 2009 The twin master cylinder unit is called a bias pedalbox and is available from various places and looks similar to the image bellow (its actually an escort one as i couldn't find a manta pic) As you can see it mounts the master cylinders in the car saving a lot of room in the engine bay (the resevoirs still need to be mounted somewhere, usually in the engine bay) Using this setup will allow you to adjust the braking effect from front to rear. However it will also make the brake pedal a lot harder to push (as there is no servo assistance) What engine are you fitting? Somone else might have already done it and worked out a good brake solution. Thanks for the help guys. Are the Manta Bias pedal boxes still available? think that would be the best route but depends on if it will stop the car with a bigger engine! no-one has done this conversion yet and its closely guarded! I have done alot of reserch and in the last year havent found one Manta with this engine,if I can pull it off then it will be at Billing 2010. I will look for this bias set up in the meantime and go from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamchop77 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Thanks for the help guys. Are the Manta Bias pedal boxes still available? think that would be the best route but depends on if it will stop the car with a bigger engine! no-one has done this conversion yet and its closely guarded! I have done alot of reserch and in the last year havent found one Manta with this engine,if I can pull it off then it will be at Billing 2010. I will look for this bias set up in the meantime and go from there. Bias pedal boxes aren't available, you will have to fab one up yourself. Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doveyte2800 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Bias pedal boxes are available from TJM motorsport @ £190 regards Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamchop77 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Bias pedal boxes are available from TJM motorsport @ £190 regards Ian Blimey looked everywhere for one!!!!! Best i get in touch with TJM. Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasterthanyou Posted July 8, 2009 Author Share Posted July 8, 2009 Blimey looked everywhere for one!!!!! Best i get in touch with TJM. Cheers Chris I had a look at TJM yesterday so if I decide to go that route then they would be the people to go to. Thanks again everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantaraver Posted July 15, 2009 Share Posted July 15, 2009 no-one has done this conversion yet and its closely guarded! Intriguing, ya gonna give us any hint's Lets have a guess. Viper v10 ?? Audi v8 ?? Meteor tank engine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantaray80 Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Intriguing, ya gonna give us any hint's Lets have a guess. Viper v10 ?? Audi v8 ?? Meteor tank engine I looked at the BMW V8 (cheap and readily available) and the Audi V8. Both would make good modern musclecars out of the Manta. Althought to be accurate, it'd be a Pony car. I'm intrigued to know what you have in mind. Jag V12 has been done, so it's not that. M3 engine has been done too! Hmmmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opalfruits Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 I looked at the BMW V8 (cheap and readily available) and the Audi V8. Both would make good modern musclecars out of the Manta. Althought to be accurate, it'd be a Pony car. I'm intrigued to know what you have in mind. Jag V12 has been done, so it's not that. M3 engine has been done too! Hmmmmmm sounds interesting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasterthanyou Posted July 16, 2009 Author Share Posted July 16, 2009 Come find me at Billing next year and you can have a look for yourself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon p Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 There's other ways to modify you brake system and allow you keep your servo. These options include needing to know brake ratios, space availability etc. as well as getting it all to work with the brake upgrades bolted to the hubs, it's really easy to get it wrong and it can cost you alot of trouble and expense to find that out. If you get stuck or need a chat about it, give me a call and i'll do my best to help. Here's one idea, it a remote servo but these come with loads of different options and they even need to mounted the correct way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasterthanyou Posted July 23, 2009 Author Share Posted July 23, 2009 There's other ways to modify you brake system and allow you keep your servo. These options include needing to know brake ratios, space availability etc. as well as getting it all to work with the brake upgrades bolted to the hubs, it's really easy to get it wrong and it can cost you alot of trouble and expense to find that out. If you get stuck or need a chat about it, give me a call and i'll do my best to help. Here's one idea, it a remote servo but these come with loads of different options and they even need to mounted the correct way. So does that servo sit anywhere? how does it connect to the pedal? I wanted to locate it in the boot if I could but not sure if thats possible?!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamchop77 Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 So does that servo sit anywhere? how does it connect to the pedal? I wanted to locate it in the boot if I could but not sure if thats possible?!! If i remember correctly Mk1 escort Mexico's had a remote servo, so Rally Design will probably stock or know where to get them. They don't connect to the pedal they just have pipework to them and a vacuum pipe. I've got one somewhere that was on a moggy minor i broke for bits. I'll try and dig it out to see what the connections are. HTH Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJM Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Hi Below you will see a picture of the footwell bias pedal box I can supply. I use only British components with Girling Master Cylinders therefore a little bit more expensive than others who use pattern parts. Price £261.99 including bias box/bias bar/choice of front and rear master cylinders. Delivery normally 3-7 days. Regards Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falk5150 Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Hi Below you will see a picture of the footwell bias pedal box I can supply. I use only British components with Girling Master Cylinders therefore a little bit more expensive than others who use pattern parts. Price £261.99 including bias box/bias bar/choice of front and rear master cylinders. Delivery normally 3-7 days. Regards Tim Don't suppose you do one with hydraulic clutch too??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJM Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Hi No just cable clutch at the moment. Regards Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasterthanyou Posted July 23, 2009 Author Share Posted July 23, 2009 Hi No just cable clutch at the moment. Regards Tim I will send you a pm Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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