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I know Manta PCD is 4 x 100, but been offered a nice set of compomotive 4 x 98 wheels off a Fiat or Alfa.

Close, but do they fit over the Manta studs.........????

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basically i would not recommend you consider this because:-

your Manta wheel pcd is 100mm so effectively the centre line of the stud hole will be 2mm offset from the wheelstuds. If the clearance diameter of the stud hole is large enough then you could do what you are suggesting (although i doubt they will be, however!!

the problem will be:-

if the wheel uses a conical faced nut the nut will not centralise in the hole due to the stud and wheel stud hole not being concentric. If the wheel uses flat faced nuts then the wheel may not have a big enough faced area to accomodate the offset and so wheel nut tightness will be a big issue and or the wheel will move to much due to clearance from stud to wheel stud hole.

so the bottom line answer is no as the risks of loosing a wheel when in motion if not secure are too great!

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Here in Denmark we can get non centric wheel bolts that has a loose conus. This mean that you can use 5x112 on 5x100 cars, or 4x100 on 4x98 cars and the other way around.

The picture is of a nut but they can be found as bolts as well. I used them once to fit 4x100 Allycats on a Fiat 127 (4x98) :)

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We have those here in the UK as well, just do a search for 'Wobble Nuts' there's lots to choose from, I've never used any so can't comment on how good they are but they've been around for a long time and I haven't heard anything bad about them?

Cheers,

Alf.

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As UPK says, i would say no, i would sell the wheels and get some proper 4x100 for safety sake, wobble nuts could be used but i wouldn't use them, also spoke to the boss in work today and he won't work on any car fitted with wobble nuts for safety reasons, also if the wheel centre is bigger than the hub then the conicle part of the nut centralises the wheel, therefore the wheel might not centralise properly and you'll get what feels like an imbalance vibration. Up to you YOUR choice.

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As UPK says, i would say no, i would sell the wheels and get some proper 4x100 for safety sake, wobble nuts could be used but i wouldn't use them, also spoke to the boss in work today and he won't work on any car fitted with wobble nuts for safety reasons, also if the wheel centre is bigger than the hub then the conicle part of the nut centralises the wheel, therefore the wheel might not centralise properly and you'll get what feels like an imbalance vibration. Up to you YOUR choice.

That is not true Johnboy. A wheel should ALWAYS centralise on the center hole, and if the hole is too large you should always use those plastic rings to center the wheel up. I would rather run with only 1 wobblenut than no centeralisation on the wheel. The wheel nuts will never do this precisely enough,,

I have used the wobblenuts and i had no issues with them what so ever, even in pretty rough driving. I used them on my Mk2 Fiat 127 Sport that had around 90bhp and that car went like a bat out of hell on the smaller roads. I was going to use it for hillclimb, but ended up selling it to be able to buy a Monza A1 .. The car was lowered 80mm with koni adjustables, extra strenthening of brakes, and struts was mounted as well. It had 7x13" Allycats with 185, 60- 13 Yoko semi slicks and trust me if a car should ever have lost a wheel, that would have been the car that lost the wheel rolleyes.gif

Anyways, no need to be affraid of wobblenuts, they are perfectly safe otherwise they wouldn´t be on the market...

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Quite right Monzta you "should" use those plastic rings but you know how it is, try the wheel on and the centres too big, ah well put the bolts in it'll be alright and hey ho off you go then you forget about those plastic rings that you should have fitted last month and "why have i got a vibration??" plus not all wheels centralise on the centre hub, vw transporters rely on the conicle bolts to centralise the wheels as do some other vw's. Thats just my opinion on wobble bolts, if others want to use then fair enough.

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That we can agree on :) And yes several citroen´s doesnt center up either especially the 3 lug cars, but using 3 or 5 stud will also center up the wheel better than 4 studs.

Anyhow, i think that theres for and against, i would still say that if you do a real good setup, getting the wheels centered using plastic rings so they are dead on center, i can´t see that theres anything wrong with using wobble nuts, especially on a 4x98mm pcd wheel as the distance they are off are only 0,5mm in each lug hole, so the wobble bolts will hardly need to wobble laugh.gif

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The BMW wheels I'm using at the moment have a larger centre bore than the hub, I've just centralised them with the conical wheel nuts. Had them on and off several times on two different Cavaliers and never had even the slightest wobble. Maybe I just got lucky though!

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Follow UKP's advice.

NOPE !!!!!!

As long as the centre bore is the same, then a mismatch of 1mm per stud hole is OK.

Despite what folk who apparently know not alot are trying to make out. !

Just about ALL nuts/bolts these days have a slanted mating face ! So just put them on and stop listening to the doom and gloom merchants on here !!!!!

After all.,these kind of things have been around for a LONG TIME !!!!

MORE THAN THIS SITE I MAY ADD !!!!

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NOPE !!!!!!

As long as the centre bore is the same, then a mismatch of 1mm per stud hole is OK.

Despite what folk who apparently know not alot are trying to make out. !

Just about ALL nuts/bolts these days have a slanted mating face ! So just put them on and stop listening to the doom and gloom merchants on here !!!!!

After all.,these kind of things have been around for a LONG TIME !!!!

MORE THAN THIS SITE I MAY ADD !!!!

I'm pretty sure you only come on here for an argument.

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I'm pretty sure you only come on here for an argument.

Why //////

Because your thoughts about things do not match up with others !!??

Still waiting for ANYONE to point out a reasonable argument about why these wheels are no good with wobble bolts ????

As has been mentioned previously by others as well as myself, they have been around for years and NO problems if used correctly.

So please do, in your opinion (at the risk of an argument !) tell everyone on here just what is wrong with them ??? Without using hearsay !!!

As bolts are shamferred shouldered(or nuts if you choose ), then NO probs whatsoever.

So reckon we can all wait in eager anticipation for your reply of ultimate enlightenment !! :thumbup

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These Wobble Bolts are not for me either....... I'd just buy wheels that bolt on properly instead. A few of the local boy racers that come in work have bodged the wrong wheels onto their VWs using these bolts. A wheel came off a car I was driving a few years ago and whilst it gave me a funny story to tell people, it could have been really dangerous. It bounced along the road then up into the air and off the side of some local flats.I was only doing about 35MPH at the time. It hit the flats just under a window on the third story of the building and I wonder what the residents would have thought at 7pm if a Maestro wheel came through their living room window on the Third floor! Although these new wheels may seem like a bargain, I still think you'd be better off with a set of 4x100 ones. .Luke.

If the wheels are a real bargain , Then Ian Jemison Alloy Wheel Repairs at York can alter your wheels PCD properly and this seems a much safer way to me than using Wobble Bolts....

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These Wobble Bolts are not for me either....... I'd just buy wheels that bolt on properly instead. A few of the local boy racers that come in work have bodged the wrong wheels onto their VWs using these bolts. A wheel came off a car I was driving a few years ago and whilst it gave me a funny story to tell people, it could have been really dangerous. It bounced along the road then up into the air and off the side of some local flats.I was only doing about 35MPH at the time. It hit the flats just under a window on the third story of the building and I wonder what the residents would have thought at 7pm if a Maestro wheel came through their living room window on the Third floor! Although these new wheels may seem like a bargain, I still think you'd be better off with a set of 4x100 ones. .Luke.

If the wheels are a real bargain , Then Ian Jemison Alloy Wheel Repairs at York can alter your wheels PCD properly and this seems a much safer way to me than using Wobble Bolts....

Had the same thing happen to me years ago down the A19 doing (ahem !) 70.Rear wheel came off.Good job the old Dolly Sprint had trailing arms as I didn't realise anything was wrong till I saw the wheel bounceing over the central reservation !!!!! :rolleyes: Thing is, they were STANDARD fit nuts !!!!! So MY fault for not ensuring they were at the correct torque !!!! :(

Anything not done correctly will cause a problem. Just use the nuts and wheels, BUT make sure they are torqued up correctly, as standard nuts, or a serious problem may occur.

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I wonder what the residents would have thought at 7pm if a Maestro wheel came through their living room window on the Third floor

This happened to a guy I went to school with! He bought a Maestro and one day on his way to college one of the front wheels just pinged off and went bouncing down the road. When the AA turned up to get him home, they took a closer look at the hub. The wheel had been welded (yes, literally) to the hub. No nuts/studs at all! They took the wheel trim off the other side and that was the same too :lol:

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Lost a rear wheel of a Manta B too once, it was a Mantzel XXL manta i had bought in Germany. The 11x15" BBS was to hard on the rear axle so the entire rear axle in the right side came of and out of the tube. Luckely i was running 345´s on the BBS´s so the rim didnt take any damage, the very wide flare however was badly damaged sad.gif And everything was mounted correctly, no wobble bolts, 4x100 PCD on the rims, they where just too wide for the rear axle to kope with...

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