Sutty2006 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Anyone considering putting a 2.2 carlton lump in a manta? I need the sump and flywheel, I have the correct manta sump and flywheel that you need in return for your carlton sump and flywheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shug Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 No flywheel, but its possible I still have the sump if it didn't get weighed in. Damned if I know when I can check tho. Let me know if you're really stuck and I'll see what I can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Think i have a sump but the car it came from was an auto Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 ahem i think i may just have some of that matey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutty2006 Posted March 18, 2015 Author Share Posted March 18, 2015 Please check for me PAT I'll be your best friend for EVER if you have!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 well ive DEF got a 22 engine sat with a sump thats not seen a manta lol , will take a pic tomorrow after work tomorrow mate , amazing the crap you collect in 25 yrs pissing about with manta's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fermanta Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I was told today of a 2.2 (Reckord?) engine today, and thought of using it in a Manta that is currently engineless. However, I'm not sure if it's much of an upgrade over the 2.0GTE? Is it a big job to change over, can I use the 2.0GTE ecu etc or would it need to come with loom/ecu to be worth anything? If it comes with the parts you need I may be able to help if you don't get sorted elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutty2006 Posted March 18, 2015 Author Share Posted March 18, 2015 Loom is same as a GTE but you'll need the ECU. I need the big relays that are on the engine loom aswell. These are missing from my car! Grrr. Also need a fuel pump but can fit a facet if need be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fermanta Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Thanks Sutty, dont want to derail your thread (but as I say if I purchase this item the parts I don't need will be available) but how much would the engine be worth assuming its complete with ECU, and is it much of an improvement over the 2.0? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutty2006 Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share Posted March 19, 2015 Don't know about improvements, I know sod all about the CIH engine. It's hard to put a price on these engines. My engine cost me a discovery 1 back axle, so no cash changed hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Loom is same as a GTE but you'll need the ECU. I need the big relays that are on the engine loom aswell. These are missing from my car! Grrr. Also need a fuel pump but can fit a facet if need be! Do you have the relay part numbers. I have had a few carltons and when they died i always kept the replays. Problem is they are just in a pile with every other relay i've ever removed from every car i've broken. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutty2006 Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share Posted March 19, 2015 I need to find a 2.2 carlton owner for reference.... ANYONE GOT ONE? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldoradoCoupe Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Hi Steve, I haven't got a Carlton but I have a 2.2 engine and the engine loom from one. There's only one relay on the loom plus the 2 control boxes for the ignition and the ECU that I can see. I've taken some photos. If I can help anymore let me know. Roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiney_norman Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I need to find a 2.2 carlton owner for reference.... ANYONE GOT ONE? Yes, Chris has! Ring him, I'm sure he'll take some photos of one of his three for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cam.in.head Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Hi there. The 2.2 ecu is bosch part number 0280000326.cant see how this would work correctly with a standard 2 litre loom thou because the 2.2 has additional items over a 2 litre. Namely an idle speed control valve which maintains an ideal idle speed controlled by its own control box.0280220017 for a manual and 0280220018 for an auto.it also doesnt have the 2 litres 5th injector/cold start on the end of the inlet manifold.also the ignition system uses a different module and a different distributor. The advance is not centrifugal but controlled by yet another box 02277921015 manual or 0227921006 auto.maybee and i dont know because i have the correct full set up on mine a 2.2 will work perfectly ok with a 2 litre system. Someone will no doubt have tried this and will hopefully be able to advise?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cam.in.head Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Ps. The fuel system and control relay is the same on 2 litre and 2.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shug Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I've got a spare fuel relay if you need one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutty2006 Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share Posted March 19, 2015 Shug, yes I need a fuel relay...haven't got one. Let me know how much posted please and I'll pay pal some dosh over. I'll have a look at the loom tomorrow that's in my car and see what plugs haven't got homes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shug Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I'll dig out an envelope tonight and weigh it. Shouldn't be much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shug Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Errrrmmmm, seems the relay isn't attached to the loom I had in my car boot. Must be in my tool chest, which would be at the inlaws just now. 160 miles away. How needy are you for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutty2006 Posted March 20, 2015 Author Share Posted March 20, 2015 Well ive still got to source the correct 5 speed manual gearbox, a new fuel tank and other little bits n bobs....... So not in a rush dude haha. When do you recon you are next there? And is it 160 miles south? Are you at the AGM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamchop77 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Fermanta You can just stick all the 2.0 top end on the 2.2 including the std injection. It will give an improvement in torque due to the bigger capacity, its only the same as boring out a motor (think 1.9 to 2.0CIH) its the crank thats stroked to give 2.2. If you want to use the 2.2 head (better flow, bigger valves, etc you can redrill a 2.0 intake to fit on the 2.2 head. You will need to muck about with bigger washers to hold the intake/exhaust manifolds on and also the thermostat housing. Or just take the 45mm inlets and have them installed into the 2.0 head for better breathing. Its only having the valve seats recut and ground in. The 2.2 motor are really underated. Sutty I dont think that the gearboxes are different, apart from possibly the gear link. The haynes manual ratios are the same. Ive got a carlton 2.2 box and its no different to the 2.0 ones. I know its a pukka 2.2 one as i broke the car it came from. HTH Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shug Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Well ive still got to source the correct 5 speed manual gearbox, a new fuel tank and other little bits n bobs....... So not in a rush dude haha. When do you recon you are next there? And is it 160 miles south? Are you at the AGM? Oops, never noticed your reply. Might be this weekend or next. Its oop north. I'll have a look when I'm up next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutty2006 Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 Sutty I dont think that the gearboxes are different, apart from possibly the gear link. The haynes manual ratios are the same. Ive got a carlton 2.2 box and its no different to the 2.0 ones. I know its a pukka 2.2 one as i broke the car it came from. HTH Chris The box is identical apart from the linkage at the back. Its slightly longer on the carlton to accomodate for being a longer car. I have a 5 speed box somewhere in my workshop, so if push comes to shove, i can either find a linkage, or get mine lenghtened., Id rather fit the correct item though. Im going to put up a wanted ad for the gearbox. Someone might have one stashed away or even just the linkage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shug Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Found the relay, embarassingly it was in my car boot the whole time. I'll check postage cost. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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