garymanc Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Opel-Manta-2-0-SR-Berlinetta-/331777102708?hash=item4d3f74d374:g:z-4AAOSwe7BWvudk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapierdave Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Why is it up for sale ? A lot of us on here have seen this car & can vouch for it's overall condition. Lets hope it stays within the club & is kept as original as possible, I don't think I've ever seen another that colour. An auction of whatever description is probably the best way to gauge a cars value. It will be interesting for those of us that have original pre face lift B's to see what this one makes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
®evo03 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 10 hours ago, Rapierdave said: Lets hope it stays within the club & is kept as original as possible, I don't think I've ever seen another that colour. Interesting its a club members car, not advertised here.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim nolan Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 God thats a nice coupe ,,, hope it makes good money ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTREA Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Love that car, great example, definately strange it has not been mentioned on here or indeed the FB page...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davo Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 I know the current owner does not do FB. I believe the car is for sale due to a new business venture he is involved in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo3000 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, davo said: I know the current owner does not do FB. I believe the car is for sale due to a new business venture he is involved in. How would we ever survive without facebook But we can thanks to our forum/club,i was starting to panic for a moment.....not Lovely example,never ever seen that colour on any other opel or Vaux for that matter. Kind of car that should be able to sell it self based on how good it is,just hope the market will dictate that for the seller. All the best with the sale for our fellow club memberand his business venture. needlees to say I am not a facebook user. Edited February 15, 2016 by evo3000 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANTAMAN Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 2 hours ago, evo3000 said: Lovely example,never ever seen that colour on any other opel or Vaux for that matter Pistachio Green, there is another Coupe almost identical to this one, Was owned by Len Kiff in Hertfordshire,( he is a Renault man, leading Renault Club member and has done a concours restoration of a Renault Dauphine,he also sold me the Orange 1975 coupe that has now gone to south Wales ) he sold His Pistachio Coupe to Robbie Stinson, think it is now somewhere in Ireland. 3 hours ago, evo3000 said: How would we ever survive without facebook needlees to say I am not a facebook user. ME NEITHER !!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo3000 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) 30 minutes ago, MANTAMAN said: 30 minutes ago, MANTAMAN said: ME NEITHER !!!!!!!!! your a social media outcast ian,just like me...welcome to my world..the real world. No offence to fb user's intended btw....er... Any here's a pic of said car just to add some colour to the thread,think I might put my shades on. Edited February 15, 2016 by evo3000 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANTAMAN Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 4 minutes ago, evo3000 said: your a social media outcast ian,just like me...welcome to my world..the real world. No offence to fb user's intended btw....er... And i still read books........ i don't do any of this instant-twitt-face-chat stuff !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapierdave Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 (edited) Car didn't sell, I suspect Dave Smiths very honest description of the cars condition may have put some buyers off also the high first bid price failed to kick start the auction. This time of year can be difficult to get top prices for classic cars, once the evenings get lighter & the sun shines is the best time to sell & hopefully get the price you want. Here is an informative guide to selling a car on ebay, this was written in 2011 & was copied from another forum "So to sell your car on eBay, without disappointing low bids, reserves not met, the only bidders being time wasters, there are some steps to follow. The System ™ First, and this is very important, you need to have a realistic valuation of the car you are selling. Cars have several values: your bottom price, a reasonable asking price and your “If I was really lucky I could get” price. Don't start with the highest. If a “reasonable” price is lower than your bottom price then think again! Set in your mind that you will get the bottom price. This may sound like lowering your expectations, but its just about being reasonable. There is only really one price and that is the amount of money someone is prepared to pay for it. When it goes for more, thenyou will be happy! With the Mustang I really needed to get a grand for it. That was my bottom price. A reasonable price I thought would be £1200-£1500 for it. Using The System ™ I got £1750 for it. I could be a dreamer like the guy trying to get £9K for one right now but I guarantee I'd still have it now if I did... Next fix anything which can be easily dealt with, especially obvious faults. If it can't be easily dealt with accept that it will potentially affect the final sale price of the car. Don't spend more than its worth doing so but basic repairs which need doing will make it seem to many buyers like your car is uncared for and likely is abused and worn out. Worst lie on eBay: “I haven't had time to take it down for an MoT”. I'd rather see a short fail sheet list than wonder what could be up with it. I'm sure most buyers are the same. Don't bother taxing it (unless its free!) as I bet you won't make that much difference to the sale price. Third clean it inside and out. I'm astounded how many dirty cars get advertised and you may not care, “grime is not a crime” or whatever, but at least a proportion of your potential bidders will care and it will affect sale price. Messy insides look the worst. It really makes a car look uncared for which deters bidders. De-clutter. I left the child seat in the Mustang when I advertised it to emphasise that it was a daily driven pseudo-family car but made sure to take everything else out. You can put it all back in again after the photos... Take good photos, lots of them. How many cars are listed on eBay with 2 badly focused snaps off a mobile phone taken in the dark and which crop off one end of the car or another? Or are in the wrong orientation? Do these people really expect to get good money when you can't see what you are buying? If you don't have a digital camera borrow one. If you don't know how to use it, borrow the person who does. When I sold my Omega I sold it for about 40% more than the average bid price (against a reserve not met usually) and got well more than a thousand page views and I put that in a great part down to the fact I had good clear photos showing the car in detail. I had a front shot, a rear shot, a front interior, rear interior and load bay interior shots. Then I had one of the front driver's wing, front driver's door, rear driver's door... etc... right the way around the car. eBay gives you 12 free photos with a car listing now so use them! If you are selling something a bit special then I'd go with some nice arty shots as well, to set the tone. I tried a bit of this with the Mustang advert and the sale went well. So long as you have plenty of “straight” clear photos too. With the Mustang I followed advice from Bruce (Mystery Machine) to put the photos into the text (I used the HTML option, not the regular editor to do this – not sure if there is an easier way) which makes for a nice layout but I'm not sure if it made much difference. Photos this way can be as large as you like and need to be hosted somewhere like Photobucket without having to pay for eBay's Supersize or “picture pack” or whatever.. Step four is to cook up a description. This is your sales pitch. If your local Ford main dealer ran adverts in the local press running 3 paragraphs promising legal action against people who came to look at a new Fiesta but didn't buy one in the end, or misspelt common words pertaining to car parts like “breaks” “cills” “interia” and so forth, how many cars do you think they would sell? You are in the same business as them! I appreciate that for some people written English is hard work. In which case find someone who will (in exchange for a beer or whatever) write up a description in decent grammar, covering all of the various salient points of the vehicle, arrangements for viewing and no more. The only permissible additional information is that the car is advertised elsewhere and may be withdrawn. This is your “licence” to end it early. Before you even get to the meat and potatoes of the description though you need a title and “details”. Now you would think this was stating the obvious but judging by the number of cars listed with a title of “CAR” and when you go do an advanced search by make or year and you see “Unspecified” has 2134 listings in it you realise some people are just missing the whole point. If you are a buyer, and if you can be bothered, you can find some bargains this way. If you are a seller then don't mess this up! Put a meaningful title. If you list by registration number eBay will fill in most of the details such as registration date, tax, MOT, number of keepers, etc. (but check these are all completed and correct) and may suggest a title of “FORD CAPRI RED 2DR SALOON” because that’s what the DVLA record for it is titled. “Awesome retro Mk3 Ford Capri long T&T” draws the punters in better... And making sure stuff like that its a Mk3 or whatever will help it appear in the search results. Making sure the details are filled in helps people find it who search using those advanced properties. It also should avoid annoying questions about if it has T&T or not. If you (or your literate chum) are anything like me then they can neither spell nor type. More years than I care to remember in IT and the keyboard still trips me up, plus I am mildly dyslexic. If you use Firefox or Chrome to access the internet then you will find misspellings are underlined in red. If you use IE 7 or 8 then you can get a plug in tool bar spell checker for free. Not sure if it works with IE9 which is still in Beta. Even better though is that you do what I do which is compose your listings (and your forum posts) in a word processor. King of these is Microsoft Office Word but if you don't have that, and your PC was bought through a retailer chances are you have Microsoft Works preinstalled which does much the same stuff. If you don't have that or some other office suite then download Open Office or OfficeLibre which are the same thing and free. It takes me so long to put together a properly worded listing that its the only way I can do it. Also I can email the listing to a mate and say “what do you reckon to this, am I over-selling it, have I missed anything out?” before I then copy and paste the text into the text box on the site in question and press submit. Avoid personal attacks on people who didn't complete an earlier sale on the car or diatribes on “these messers who are ruining eBay, you know who you are” which just make you look like a vindictive nut. You may well be a vindictive nut but best to keep that hidden whilst selling the car... You will scare buyers away with an obviously belligerent attitude. I have the same opinion of “joke” listings. One man's humour is another man's insult and when you try being funny in a listing you just attract all the weirdos who need to prove they are funnier than you. Its like heckling on the internet. Keep it to the business if you want to sell the car. If you want to play with nutters join an internet forum... Your description should be honest but portray the car in its best reasonable light. Long lists of faults just make the car seem like a nail when all it is really is a few niggles and such which anyone would expect in a car of that age. So say so. “Car has a few niggles and such which anyone would expect in a car of this age” covers that unless your definition of a niggle is “cannot select any forward gears. Motor seized”. I've seen people list pretty much every stone chip and its just unnecessary and off-putting. As is bright red 72 point font, you may be myopic but I am not. Think what information you (or a reasonable buyer) would need to know about the car to make a decision about it. Put that information in the listing. A paragraph each on mechanicals/driving, body, interior. Maybe some detail on the history of the car or the marque if its something rare. Don't go off on tangents. Raymanboy was an internet legend but I don't think he ever sold a car. Should you include your mobile in the ad? That is up to you. I put “email me for my direct contact details”. Amazingly few people every phone me. Maybe I specialise in selling to sociopaths and people with autism but 99% of the time the first contact with the buyer is when they have won the auction, pretty much every car I have sold on eBay was sold to someone who had not seen it. I'm still amazed by this and for years spent ages trying to get people to view before bidding. They don't. Reflect this in your description. With the description out of the way the fifth step is to come up with your start price. This is easy. Its 99p. Your reserve is as easy to work out. There is not one. A low start stimulates interest but if you out a reserve on which is too high then that initial momentum will not be maintained. If you put a reserve on which is “too low” so it is quickly met, then you may as well not bother with a reserve and save yourself the money. If you start the car at what you want for it, whether that is your bottom price or your “reasonable” price then you risk losing bids and watchers to people who are wrapped up in an auction with plenty of bidding action taking place. You may get no bids or just the one or two. I have to say I am really convinced by the 99p no reserve approach, having migrated there from 99p start and a low reserve. It took me a bit of convincing (again Bruce) but it does work. That low reserve was just wasting me money. A high reserve will really deter bidders. Here is an example of how reserves deter buyers... I was looking at a car I really liked. Bid price was like £700 and I was really excited. I'd have paid £2000-£2500 for it. So I was so itchy to find out what the reserve was, and the seller wasn't saying, so I bid £79995 on it. Obviously way over the reserve. It popped up at £3750 reserve met. So I then cancelled by bid, stating “incorrect amount bid” and rebid £799.95 on it. So it pops up to £810 reserve not met with another bidder. After that I didn't bother looking at it again. The auction ended about £1700 IIRC, reserve not met. I bought something else and not so long after it was on for “£3500 Buy It Now” and then again for “£2500 or offers”. I'd have talked an offer then, if I didn't already have a nice new car... I don't know what it sold for, but I do know the more times you put the same car on eBay the lower the price becomes... I know when I have put a reserve on cars before, and people email me to ask what the reserve is, they hardly ever bid on the car once I tell them." Edited February 20, 2016 by Rapierdave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon p Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 On 15/02/2016 at 4:04 PM, evo3000 said: pics taken on my drive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANTAMAN Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 3 hours ago, simon p said: pics taken on my drive Is that your house in the left background ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapierdave Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Its up for sale again after failing to sell on ebay earlier in the year. http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C725078 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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