ANDY ABBOTT Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmanta Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 15 minutes ago, ANDY ABBOTT said: Yeah, Ive been back and edited my last post because it was crap because Im tired ! it ought to make sense now. There are three sensors in the 2.0E thermostat housing: 1. Injection temperature sensor (blue) 2. Thermo-time switch (brown) 3. Temp gauge sender The temp sensor is the single sensor type – each pin is one side of the resistor. Characteristics are: Temperature (Celsius) Resistance (Ohms) 0 4,800 – 6,600 20 2,200 – 2,800 40 1,000 – 1,400 80 270 – 380 100 < 200 The thermo-time switch is a two part switch. It only operates at water temperatures below 35C and only operates for 8 seconds when it does. At all other times it’ll be open circuit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCarlos Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 I'm looking forward to finding the cause of all this . It's like a running sore in my life !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantasrme Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 The only times i've had cars that started but would die if you tried to rev them up were one air leak in the inlet pipe, and the other was a carb'd engine that was a partially blocked up jet, and the last one was a GTe that had melted the inside of the injection loom touching out various wires (which i think were the sensor wires) Its interesting that it will only start on one of 5 ecu's you have tried. Looking at the odds of having 4 faulty ecu's or 1 faulty one, i'd say the 4 are ok and the dodgy one is the only one that it will start with. I'd certainly be checking the sensors against what Paul has posted and see if one is miles out. If the one ecu is out the other way then it would even out enough to start, but the other 4 would be miles out on the mixture. If the ecu thinks the engine is hotter/ or colder than it really is it will adjust the mixture the wrong way and it will be too rich/weak to rev up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmanta Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 David's point about the hole in the rubber inlet pipe between the AFM and throttle body was my next suggestion, these crack on the ribs and you cant see the leaks easily unless you bend the pipe a bit, you might have loads of cracks adding up to one big air leak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Abbott Posted September 17, 2016 Author Share Posted September 17, 2016 It's fixed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1900SR Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Go on then, enlighten us, what was up with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-400 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 What was it??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Abbott Posted September 17, 2016 Author Share Posted September 17, 2016 OK. Andrew came up with an idea of trying parts from the mint GTE we have in the yard. Swapped the ecu from that into the lemon and it turned it into a peach Yep, 5 ECU's. 4 it wouldn't even start on or locked up on. 1 it started on but wouldn't rev. The ECU from the hatch even has the same part number as all the other ECU's we tried and it failed on. It looks like the ECU's have developed faults while being in storage in a dry loft. Possibly dry joints due to temperature changes over the 15 years they have been in the box? Never ever had issues with manta ECU's before and what's the odds of having so many bad ECU's!! Quote At least we can crack on with the recommissioning of the car now after it being off the road for years with this fault. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robah Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Good news on finding the fault, what are the chances of having 5 faulty ECU's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-400 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Oops, never thought that after changing so much ECU's it would be that! Great you found the problem, hope I never have that problem cause I have 2 Manta's. One L-jetronic and the other one LE-jetronic. Have both ECU's in spare so got to test them before I have problems... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantadoc Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 5 hours ago, Kevin Abbott said: It looks like the ECU's have developed faults while being in storage in a dry loft. Possibly dry joints due to temperature changes over the 15 years they have been in the box? I would want to plug them into a good car to make sure. My guess on duds would be damp from rotten foot wells had maybe sewn the seeds of failure years ago. However, My car did the same on one occasion and not seen it since , My brothers did it for a couple of days and never has again with nothing changed on the car,and thethird person I knew with this issue broke the car. Oh and the one on here blamed it on a petrol tank swirl pot which I thing was a red herring. Glad you got it sorted, or do you still need to find another good ECU? I think I have a few (but so did you till recently) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Abbott Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 On 18/09/2016 at 01:24, mantadoc said: Glad you got it sorted, or do you still need to find another good ECU? I think I have a few (but so did you till recently) Thank's for the offer Mantadoc. I went searching in the loft again for another ECU so we could give the one back to the white hatch we sold last year. I found this funny labelled one in the loft Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. plugged it in and we have a winner, the car goes like f@@k now with the kent cam in it too. I need to check it for a LSD as it loves doughnuts in the yard! These are the ones it wouldn't run on, as you can see they all have the same part number as the one with the white label but the white label one is the only time I have seen that type. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Now it runs we can dig in a bit more so it's interior out to look at the floor... Drum roll please....................................................... It's OK Yea it's had some welding from the previous garage and they hadn't treated any rust so we got the bilt hamber out and slapped some on.. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Started tidying up the engine bay, pulled another alarm off Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Thermostat seemed sticky so changed that Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. We started sandblasting and painting parts to make it look better and then the blasting cabinet broke, doh! Moved on the the underbody next, the previous garage had done the weding but left it rough so we ground it all back, treated with bilt hamber hydrate 80 and the sealed it all with stonechip stuff Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Eagle eyes will spot polyflex bushes and the crappy brake lines I need to replace Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Boot cleaned and painted in Taybars finest satin black, great paint Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. That was a few days ago now and we will try and get some more done at weekend, driving my Manta down to fix another Manta makes me realise why I do it Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Abbott Posted October 9, 2016 Author Share Posted October 9, 2016 More work done over the past couple of weeks All underneath treated in hydrate 80, then Electrolux, then hit with a stonechip type material. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member.Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Engine bay was scruffy so we flatted it, treated rust with bilt hamber as per usual and painted it in a match as close as we could get our paint supplier to supply Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member.Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member.Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member.Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member.Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. with the bay looking nice the engine looked poo so we pained that in 2k gloss black and also did all the crossmember and axle Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member.Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member.Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. 400 mirrors to go on Rad and ancillaries cleaned and painted Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member.Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Time to build the engine parts up and address the interior 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Abbott Posted October 18, 2016 Author Share Posted October 18, 2016 The work on the engine bay turned into a rabbit hole we couldn't get out of, paint one thing and the next thing looks rubbish. So it turned into a full engine and bay detail Picture dump Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. New yellow sticker from Germany, 10 euro for that! Boot seal wasn't what I thought it was and not manta Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. All engine put back together, lets get a battery on it and start it up.. Brum Brum? No!!! Arrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgghghghghghghghgghghghghghgghghghgghghghgghghghghghghghghghg What is going on? Hmmmm, we had masked off the back end as we are painting the lower rear panel and we had sealed the exhaust.. Doh! Removed and it fires up very nicely indeed Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Door cards off to mount the 400 mirrors, oh God previous bodge merchants have been here too, why add central locking motors with a brace on only one side? W@nker$ Window mech welded with pigeon poo so I have to swop all that out and the glass too Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Late clocks with aircon were fitted so I have changed them for proper ones Drivers seat requires a repair next and then we can start to detail the interior as it's missing some parts 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZYDAVE Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 They test you at times don't they!! Nice to see it all being done properly 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCarlos Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Hehe told you what a blocked exhaust can do 🙂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Abbott Posted November 5, 2016 Author Share Posted November 5, 2016 (edited) oh look at that pictures don't load here either doh! now they do... porbarlarabelery just me Edited November 8, 2016 by Kevin Abbott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kevin Abbott Posted November 8, 2016 Author Share Posted November 8, 2016 More work done. It's nearly ready for the bloke we are doing it for to collect. Window glass swapped, central locking motor was hitting the glass so we binned that. Bonnet painted New boot trim and Rad tray made from millboard Bonnet cable/ latch sorted Interior cleaned Front discs and pads, calipers re built Boot light fixed New water pump New battery An Andy rutter tune up All satin trim masked off and painted, mirrors painted Seat repaired Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Fecking masking tape took some of the millboard surface off, note to self, use chalk Boot tank cover made out of the same stuff Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Loads of other little jobs sorted, parts collected and fitted Nearly done, thank God 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Abbott Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 (edited) It's been a few weeks since the updates but the car passed the MOT with no advisories and the new owner came and collected it. Job done.. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Compounded, cleaned, dash sorted, wiring tidied up, leaks fixed, new water pump, battery. centres painted and blitz filled Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Proper graphics ordered from the club shop, much better than ebay rubbish. Perfect to originals, the best graphics I have applied, no bubbles, great adhesive on the graphics, backing easy to remove Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. I even managed to put the front blitz on without creasing it! Never been able to that before! Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member.Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. A nice sunset picture All done Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. NEXT MANTA PLEASE Project images are available to Club Members Only, Click to become an OMOC Member. THE END Edited December 7, 2016 by Kevin Abbott 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irmscher Man Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Theres not much I can add to that other than AWESOME! Original White GT/E Coupe - it doesnt really get any better than that does it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANTAMAN Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 That Manta is SOOOO nice, if anyone was asked to provided a picture of a typical Manta B then a white GT/E coupe would be the perfect one, and this Manta would be the perfect white coupe to photograph. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike. Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Fantastic looking manta, I hope my one will look as good as this when finished. Great job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ems Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Nice Manta, how was the seat repair done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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