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E45 SFK i240 restoration after all these years

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1 hour ago, ANDY ABBOTT said:
3 hours ago, GTEPETE said:

Forgot about the Fast Car feature especially as I was there!  I wonder what year was the car being offered  for £16500.....

I'm not sure to be honest. I've got piles and piles of paperwork to go through yet, so hopefully I'll uncover more of its history too 🙂

Think i have the magazine, must see and dig it out. Im pictureless, wonder can i post pics? 

Interesting the engine is stamped i240, not a frontera block then? Is the inlet 2.0, or 2.4? 

Grass + Car = Car Death!  Congrats all the same, on finally getting the car you always wanted, not sure what my dream manta would be, weirdly it wouldn't be a 400, i240, i200 or any other limited edition. 

Maybe a coupe, early b, 5sp, sky blue, or red exclusive coupe, green glass.

 

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I'v got a Omega/Frontera block in my GSI, it has 2.4 in the cast iron marked. But I bought it as a brandnew underblock so no number stamped where it belongs. My "400" has got the same 2.4 in the cast iron but the engine number begins with 24E. The Omega block has got 8mm sump screws, and the dipstick-hole is on the front side of the block.  My "400"16V engine is realy fun to drive, but the 2.4 8-valve is more suitable for normal use, has got more torque in the low revs than the "400" engine. The "400" engine explodes from 4000rpm and than begins the fun. The pics of Andy's 2.4 seem to have the normal inlet, as I use on my 2.4. 

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1 hour ago, ®evo03 said:

Think i have the magazine, must see and dig it out. Im pictureless, wonder can i post pics? 

Interesting the engine is stamped i240, not a frontera block then? Is the inlet 2.0, or 2.4? 

Grass + Car = Car Death!  Congrats all the same, on finally getting the car you always wanted, not sure what my dream manta would be, weirdly it wouldn't be a 400, i240, i200 or any other limited edition. 

Maybe a coupe, early b, 5sp, sky blue, or red exclusive coupe, green glass.

 

it's got a 2.4 head, but unsure on the inlet plenum. Found a few bits in the history pile that came with it. 

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I think a 2.4 head has the inlet ports higher and also the plenum sits a lot higher.

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1 minute ago, Jessopia74 said:

I think a 2.4 head has the inlet ports higher and also the plenum sits a lot higher.

Yes you’re right. That’s why people need the 2.2 inlet manifold but I am not too sure if this is a 2.2 one on this. 

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The 2.2 and 2.4 have the same characteristic about those inlet ports. You can fit the 2.2 inlet manifold as mentioned above, but I shortened a 6-cil inlet manifold cause those inlet tubes are much bigger and you can fit the 70mm throttle body. (together with a changed 70mm air mass meter BMW735)

 

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I believe the engine would have been based on a standard 2 litre block with a 2.4 crank/pistons (2396cc) etc.Remember the Frontera 2.4 (2410cc)did not come out until 1991/2....this car is a 87/88

Fast Car says it does not have a LSD, but original ad says it does???

A 2.4 engine from Irmscher was priced at £3500 in 1991...

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12 hours ago, H-400 said:

I'v got a Omega/Frontera block in my GSI, it has 2.4 in the cast iron marked. But I bought it as a brandnew underblock so no number stamped where it belongs. My "400" has got the same 2.4 in the cast iron but the engine number begins with 24E.

Herman, I also bought a new short block (no engine number) plus a 2.4 head from Germany, but should have ordered  an  Omega one as the  Frontera  came with the massive flywheel rather than the smaller car one...

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I can't believe how well this car has survived after being sat outside for twenty years, even the red  paintwork hasn't faded to "GM Pink".

The most tell tale sign of its long outdoor layup is the corroded alloy rocker cover !

What a great purchase, look forward to recommission pics on here & Facebook.

Look forward to seeing it & the Orange one at a show sometime. 

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Hi Pete, 

I fitted a flywheel of a 6 cilinder (think it is the same as 2.2Carlton) to use a 9" clutch. Drove first with a 8,5 clutch but couldn't handle the power. Please be aware the 6 flywheelbolts have another thread than another CIH. I did just a complete overhaul of my 2,4 (see my topic) and asked the guy that bored and honed the block to drill another hole to fit a dipstick on its normal "Manta" place. 

If you need a inlet manifold, got one but I am not a fan of it, will take some pics so everybody can see the difference.

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Ok, with flywheels Herman as  I have a Monza 3.0  one pinned to crank and changed to 6 bolts for 9.5 inch AP Cosworth clutch in my car, plus have bought four 400 flywheels off ebay, which look the same as Monza ones, which were removed from 400 engines in 1991.....plus have a modded 3.0 manifold to go on with a new throttle body.....but I didn't know the Frontera 2.4 has a different thread for the flywheel bolts!!!! as have a full set of HD Manta ones to use...The Frontera ones will be too long to use...

 

ps We are digressing from the original i240 post, apologises for doing so.....  

 

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5 hours ago, GTEPETE said:

I believe the engine would have been based on a standard 2 litre block with a 2.4 crank/pistons (2396cc) etc.Remember the Frontera 2.4 (2410cc)did not come out until 1991/2....this car is a 87/88

Fast Car says it does not have a LSD, but original ad says it does???

A 2.4 engine from Irmscher was priced at £3500 in 1991...

Errm I can confirm it has a LSD 🤣🤣

4 hours ago, Rapierdave said:

I can't believe how well this car has survived after being sat outside for twenty years, even the red  paintwork hasn't faded to "GM Pink".

The most tell tale sign of its long outdoor layup is the corroded alloy rocker cover !

What a great purchase, look forward to recommission pics on here & Facebook.

Look forward to seeing it & the Orange one at a show sometime. 

To be fair the pictures do the car a lot of justice. The paint has faded. The plan for now is to get it solid underside and take it to VBOA "if it happens" as it is to show how I found it, before it undergoes a full resto. I'll give the paint a buff and valet the inside. This will give me time to finish of a couple of other and save some money up to fund the rebuild as these cars have bloody drained me for a little while to come yet. Lol 

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3 hours ago, H-400 said:

As promised the pic of the 2.2 manifold, the cut-off 6 cilinder manifold looks the same as Pete's:

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You all can see those air-channels are tiny.

@Andy: Nice you are showing your 240 at the VBOA, hope to see it once allive

Thanks herman. My inlet looks slightly different than that if I'm remembering correctly 🤔 I'll have to get some pics over the weekend. Thanks for the info. 

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15 hours ago, ANDY ABBOTT said:

Thanks herman. My inlet looks slightly different than that if I'm remembering correctly 🤔 I'll have to get some pics over the weekend. Thanks for the info. 

Had another look at your engine bay...Inlet manifold is stock 2.0 ....

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On 11/04/2020 at 13:17, GTEPETE said:

Had another look at your engine bay...Inlet manifold is stock 2.0 ....

Its defo not a stick 2.0 one 

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I think it's a 2.2 manifold. The hose from the idle control valve to the manifold is longer because the connection is further away on the manifold. On the 2.2 thermostat the idle control valve sits further in than the 2.0 one. Looks like it's had the fifth injector fitted also (a job I had to do myself a few months ago). Also has the two fixing holes for the accelerator cable bracket as used on the 2.2.

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Does not look bad Andy, but good job you got it now, looks like that swan kneck is just about ready for saving 👍

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I think the throttle part at the front is stock 2ltr as it’s not ribbed like the 2.2 ones 

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Interested in seeing if the head has been modded...

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Overjoyed to see this come back into the club again..one of my fave historical club cars too, oh and the Courtenay turbo the starmist one, and the 2slot RHD 400 ...etc etc.

Congrats on the purchase ,made my day it has.😄

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2 hours ago, GTEPETE said:

Interested in seeing if the head has been modded...

2.4 head on a 2.0 block.  Head has been ported/gas flowed. Big valves, solid lifter, updated springs, and irmscher cam. There a list further up the thread, with all the engine mods listed. 🙂

Got everything stripped off the engine today, ready to drop the engibe/box and crossmember tomorrow head is now at the engineer shop for testing and re surfacing. New elring headset and bolts ordered, and new chassis section on their way 🙂

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1 hour ago, ANDY ABBOTT said:

2.4 head on a 2.0 block.  Head has been ported/gas flowed. Big valves, solid lifter, updated springs, and irmscher cam. There a list further up the thread, with all the engine mods listed. 🙂

Got everything stripped off the engine today, ready to drop the engibe/box and crossmember tomorrow head is now at the engineer shop for testing and re surfacing. New elring headset and bolts ordered, and new chassis section on their way 🙂

Other way around maybe.?  (2.4 block with 20e head )?

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