mantadog Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 (edited) just been offered a nice low milege sx 200 16v turbo 60k 1 owner body rough, but but engine sweet as a nut, just wanted to know if this is a easy swop and what gearbox would need to be used, and ecu etc any help lads im sure i have see a 400 in lreland running this combo, mine is an e reg coupe . Edited May 24, 2011 by mantadog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cop Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Hi mate dont no , unless you can see by eye sight and visualise it in . i tried a toyota supra in ,7ge engine in mine and got it laid in with gearbox, it fitted better than a seny 24v , i cancelled this as the oil pump was directly over the manta cross member.if this worked i had a turbo version to go in. Sadly it didnt so i sold it all and went back to vauxhall 24vs, cheers steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opel2000 Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Yes it will fit. May need to top mount the turbo though, As for gearbox..... have a look on page 2 of my thread, You will see that tha nissan Gearboxes are quite long, apparently good for 300+ BHP though, may need to alter handbrake and have gearlever right by your side or mount engine right up front, or get an adaptor plate made by someone for gearbox.... Then there is the loom, I spent ages looking at the wiring diagram, and the ECU takes feeds from just about everything under the bonnet, looked an absolute nightmare to get it right, but that's not saying that someone with better wiring skills than me (ok but not the worlds best) couldn't sort it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynamytedan Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 ive been working on one of these for a mate, size wise engine and gbox looks like it would go . then its just rear axel? ,prop?,engine mounts, gear stick in right place?,clutch hydraulics and speedo cable/sensor ...hopefully no tunnel cutting... all that can be overcome. the stumbling block would be the wiring as already said. key and chip immobilizer that kind of thing also a pain in the ass. id be looking into other possibilities to do away with the standard kit and try to make life easyer , mega jolt and carbs or mega squirt injection. still some complicated wiring involved but would eliminate alot of ecu grief,plus tuneable on yur lap top to suit turbo . get some DEEEEP DEEEEEEEP pockets and take a couple of years off work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monzta Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 (edited) Yes the wirering will be the worst part of it for sure ! My suggestion is to get completely rid of the loom and box, quite simple strip the hole thing down to the bare engine, and then buy yourself a Wolf3D system. That system WORKS and does not require anything from your car. It is a complete stand alone engine management system, and it also lets you tweak you power output so that you will be able to run different programs on your engine, like a economy program for daily driving, a sports program and a race program, each will completely change your engines output. Here in Denmark the guy importing and selling them drove a Ascona B with 2,2 engine some years ago. He had a ENEM cam, and a set of 45mm Jersey throttle bodies. He made 217hp when running in race program, and could make it go 16 km pr litre fuel when running the eco program. It is costly though, but definatly a very nice tuning component and it will solve the wirering problem. Edited May 24, 2011 by monzta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opel2000 Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 (edited) Definately agree with Monzta there, although I don't know the Wolf system, the best bet would be to do away with the nissan engine management, a lot of SX owners were doing this at the time I had my 200SX to get more power and for easy tuneable upgrading/mapping over the Nissan ECU and system. If funds had been a lot better I would have took this route myself especially as I had that gorgeous CA lump ready to fit. Prop is a pretty straightforward item to cobble together, but you would need to make a hybrid prop of course sent to a specialist for welding and balancing etc. as they would get it straight, and as I really think about it now it really wouldn't have been too difficult to make an adaptor plate up for something such as an Omega gearbox, this would have (presumably) made the engine and gear lever distance more suitable if you get my drift, and the hydraulic clutch pedal is an easy peasy fix. Quite do-able really, also I've always argued that the Manta axle is strog enough for whatever you put through it, what I would argue against though is that it is not strong for shock loading, i.e. standing fast starts, or for changing down from 3rd to 2nd and booting it to have a turbo cut in etc. Edited May 24, 2011 by opel2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantadog Posted May 24, 2011 Author Share Posted May 24, 2011 some great info guys, sound like it may be out of my price at the moment, the nissan is only 650, but by the time its all painted wheeled and welded, and wired ecued,etc it may be 5k to spend,back to the drawing board!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro Power Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Gearbox length is no problem, we've done it and while the stick is further back, it's too far forward in a STD manta anyway! Comes in about 5" back from STD with engine right back against the bulkhead, with engine further forward can be wherever you want Ps big job though, not a drop it in job! We're in the midst of a few jap engine manta projects, so if you need any info or work doing then let us know! Ps just read yr post, won't do if for 5k unless you can do it all yourself, mapping etc won't be cheap to do right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monzta Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 (edited) If you want to go with a different engine than GM provides, you could look into using a Volvo B23 turbo 16V engine. Those engines can make an extreme amount of power, and you can use the entire driveline from a donor car (prop may need shorting, but gearbox and more importantly the DANA rear axle can be made to fit and it will primarely just cost you some manufacturing work). Tuning parts are easy to buy from dealers in Sweden, and taking the weak Swedish currency in consideration, you could build a fairly priced monster engine? Check out the 600+ bhp Dalhelms Manta A series on youtube allthough the engine is extreme (running both turbocharger and supercharger) it is still "just" a volvo redtop. Another alternative, though a N/A engine, is the Mercedes 190E 16V cossie engine. Those things can really fly, and they come with a extremly stirdy dogleg gearbox ? Edited May 24, 2011 by monzta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monzta Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 If any of you guys are interested in more info on the Wolf systems you can check out their products here: http://wolfems.cart.net.au/details/635751.html As i said i have seen it in action, and if i ever go any other way than twin carbs it will be to get me one of those sets. A good friend of mine uses it in his Ascona B turbo. It has a completely stock 2,0S engine only modded with a metal gasket. Thats it. He then added a custom manifold with a Garett T03 turbochager. He ran 0,7 bars standard, on eco he ran 0,3 bars. On race he ran 1,0 bar, with a overboost function to use 1,2 bars for a short time. The engine delivered 211bhp at 1,0 bars of pressure, and he blew the engine up aprox once a year, he then just threw in another old 2,0 lump Anyways, that system is a real kickass system, and if you do some googling you will find that alot of extremly highspec RX7´s and Supras run this system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro Power Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 We have a vauxhall xe turbo making over 500hp in an Opel kadett c coupe, with omega 5 speed gearbox and 4ha axle. It made 425hp on STD let bottom end, and head is still standard now. Engine and box go straight in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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