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A Series Rear Coil Springs


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Are you sure you didn´t use the front springs in the back, and the rear ones in the front ? Its a common seen problem.. Springs should be marked for front and rear axle, like VA for Vorderachse (front) and HA for Hinterachse (rear)..

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Hi Shug ,have you got an a series axle under it as a b is wider.Got 35 offset and ive had to put 10mm spacers on to bring em nearer to the arch.Got a set of standard springs you can borrow if all else fails :thumbup

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It's Avo springs I've got and ones on front are marked f. Ones on rear have no markings. Just measured axle and it's approximate 52 inches wide backing plate to backing plate.

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The width of the rear axle has nothing to do with the lowering as the springs are located at the same place on the 2 cars (same distance).

I would say that AVO has sent you the wrong rear springs, it doesn´t make any sence that it is that low in the rear ! Looks like 120mm springs blink.gif

If i where you i would talk to AVO and send them the pic.!

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These weren't actually listed for the manta A. They were listed as ascona a and I figured they'd be exactly the same. They were special order so can't return them (and it was a few years ago anyway!)

Manta B ones should fit ok tho, shouldnt they?

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Hmm, just found this pic of my old manta.

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You can clearly see there is a lot more clearance around the wheel (even allowing for the big drop now, it would sit inside the arch more) Its that very axle from that car thats now on current car. How on earth could an axle get wider? If the halfshafts werent in properly surely the wheels wouldn't turn properly, and the brake drums wouldnae fit right? But they do. diff seems to do its job turning one wheel with it jacked up, other one turns opposite way.

I had the halfshafts out to have axle blasted, and put new bearings on halfshafts but rest of axle was untouched. :huh:

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When doing extreme lowering the rear anti roll bar (panhard) will push your rear axle to one side. That is why an adjustable panhard is preferible when lowering a Manta (both A and B series). I´ll bet a case of lager that the other side looks fine ...? Check it out.

Everything is connected to those springs i think ! Are the springs used, can someone have shortened them down ?

Have you mounted the rubber bushings at the top and bottom of the springs before installing ?

If you check out my Manta A project you can see on some of the first photo´s how it sits with 40 mm rear springs from www.fahrwerke.de

They are also pretty cheap so that could be an alternative to the AVO springs., I would still contact AVO asap and talk to them about it...

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I have polyurethane bushes above and below the springs. Confused why this axle is now wider than it was when it was on the old car. All I did was change wheels bearings on it and surely the halfshafts are in properly but why else would it be wider. New shell wouldn't be narrower!

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If the plate with the 4 bolts, which holds the bearing in place, clamps up agenst the axel , then the half shafts are fitted corectly. The bearing should be sitting about 1 / 2mm inside the axel.

It sound like Monza may be correct, are both sides the same ? If one is worse than the other, then the pan hard rod will be pushing the axel over towards the Drivers side (I thing the pan rod is conected to the axel on the drivers side)

If it not that then cheak the offset is E35 cause that the only other thing i can think of.

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Both sides are the same.

Wheels are et30 tho. Not 35 as I thought. drums sit on halfshafts fine (so it looks) and the retaining plate is definately bolted on.

I dunno, I sometimes think this car has gotten too comfy and doesnt ever want to see the road! :lol:

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With that kind of lowering the rear axle will be pushed to the driver side if you don´t have the adjustable panhard rod.. That is a law of nature, so i would definatly check again if they are the same. On my a series there is about 2 cm difference from left to right side regarding wheel being pushed out..

Another question. Have you changed or repaired the rear flares? If so it is possible that you have actually made the car a bit more narrow than original? Also the red one could be a bit wider. I don´t think that 2 cars will be identical when that old, but it sure looks strange. Those are "only" 6x13 ATS classic rims, and they don´t normally look like that on a car.

They should look like this

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There is most certainly something off regarding your rear axle.

Are the wheels properly mounted (are they all the way in there on the drum?)

Are you sure it´s the same rear axle and that it´s not from a B series car?

Are you running spacers?

Check again and see if the massive lowering can influence the sideways position of the rear axle

Have you changed the rear flares, and if so, how, and are you sure you didn´t accidently made the car more narrow?

Loads of stuff to check up on, but again, i agree with you something is off ! Very interesting actually...

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I have replaced the arches (and funnily was discussing that with guy at work this morning!) but wouldn't have thought it would be easy to "misfit"

They were repair sections from Dr Manta. Easier to see arch in this pic:

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Its definately the same axle as the red car, and as rayman measured, seems to be an A axle. No spacers on the rear wheels. I'll double check the axle but I'm sure I was having the arches rest on wheels on both sides.

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It looks like the arches are sunk in to the body just a bit. That combined with the extreme lowering you have experienced i would say that a cm or 1½ would be easy to misfit on the rear arches when replacing them. Combining this with the lowering you would have one arch that will have trouble with clearing. I discovered this regarding the panhard stabi when i owned a Manta B CC years back. This car was lowered 60 front and rear, and i mounted 7x13" ats classic with 205/60 tyres. They touched when the car was loaded (backseat passengers) but only in the left side of the car. I then noticed that the wheel was well clear of the arch in right side, but was very close in the left side ...

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Double checked and both wheels are pretty much same either side. Could try opening out arches somehow. Those springs are definitely useless tho. The top 4 or 5 coils are sitting on top of each other. There's not much weight on back of manta so god knows how they'd be of any use in any car.

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No doubt that those springs are worthless.

I have bought springs from www.fahrwerke.de many times and those springs are very good, they also have a set for the A series. Pricing isn´t too bad either.

We have something called an arch roller here in demark don´t know what its called in english but you mount it on the car instead of the wheel and then you can roll out you arches to give more space, that could be an option for you if you have misalligned the arches during welding ? Would give you that extra half inch you need?

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