Autocrosser Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Do any of you guys know if RACMSA logbooks need renewed after a set time (eg. 10 years). My Cavalier coupe had its logbook issued in 1992 and I'm just wondering if it will still be valid for stage rallies? Cheers Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantasrme Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 They don't need renewing normally But at that age i think it will need replacing with a new one as the old ones don't have room for all the current info. Obviously because it met the regs back then doesn't mean its still eligable now as the rules have changed a lot since then Best bet would be to have a word with your local MSA scrutineer, they should be able to give you the most up to date info. If you need help finding your local scrutineer let me know where you are and i can check the list in the Blue Book for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autocrosser Posted April 21, 2013 Author Share Posted April 21, 2013 It was last rallied in 2000 so it needs extinguishers / belts / mudflaps / fuel sample valve and window film on the rear window to bring upto current regs The reason I asked is its more for the 2008 rule on the seats having to be in date. If it didn't need renewed then it would save me a small fortune on replacing them. Cheers Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autocrosser Posted April 21, 2013 Author Share Posted April 21, 2013 (edited) . Edited April 21, 2013 by Autocrosser 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantasrme Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 The seat rule has a get out clause for older logbooks cars. Basically if it was logbooked before 2009 you can use out of date seats till the end of this year. But the msa have been petitioned and are considering an extension for clubman level events. I think they still need to be FIA seats just not in date. Also check about the fuel sample valve, I think that's only on National level events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autocrosser Posted April 21, 2013 Author Share Posted April 21, 2013 Thanks for that info hopefully the petition for the seats will go through. I'm going to contact my local msa scrutineer just to check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rutthenut Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Certainly unaware of any requirement to renew the CCLB with the MSA. Are you the same owner in all that time? If not, you need to send it back to the MSA Tech Dept with new owner details. They would add a continuation sheet if now required. (My Manta CCLB is having new owner name and address applied right now) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autocrosser Posted April 28, 2013 Author Share Posted April 28, 2013 I've only had the car a couple of weeks so I need to send the cclb back to the msa same as you. I've checked with my local scrutineer and all the info above is correct and the dry coupling fuel sample valve needs to be fitted to all rally cars running fuel injection but not if there running carbs. Should be starting on the car in a month or so once the £££ recovers!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rutthenut Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 MSA were really quick at returning my log book - just an address change in their records and on the cclb itself, after all. Dry-break fuel sampling kit is not required for rally cars that were log-booked before 2009 (p146 and p309 of MSA blue book) unless you are competing in an MSA 'Titled Championship' of some sort. Don't take my word for it though, check the Blue Book, ask your scrutineer and call MSA Technical Department to verify anything you aren't sure of! You have already mentioned 4mm mud flaps, window film, in-date harnesses, FIA seats (ok to end of year) and extinguishers. Will also need the usual tow hooks/eyes, OK/SOS board and warning triangle, plus now a small oil spill kit as well. Oh, and you need to use a tarpaulin in any service area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autocrosser Posted April 28, 2013 Author Share Posted April 28, 2013 The cars not going to be ready for rallying this year as I can only work on it when work and funds allow so I'm sure there'll be a few more little gems the msa will require by the time it's ready!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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