Snowy Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 I have a set of irmscher quad light surrounds. I thought i had all the bits and peices i needed to make them up into light units. But the bezels i have do not fit. Can anyone post up a picture of their units, front and back, please. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantadoc Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Do you have the all-in-one bezels or the ones with separate back plates to hold the units? I have a tub full off them in the shed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy Posted December 30, 2009 Author Share Posted December 30, 2009 Do you have the all-in-one bezels or the ones with separate back plates to hold the units? I have a tub full off them in the shed. They are the all in one units. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantadoc Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 So are the light units too big? Give us a clue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keith1200 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 (edited) Sorry can't find the picture of the standard type (globes). [edit] I believe 'Exclusive Opel' had an similar problem (few months back) [EDIT Again] http://forums.mantaclub.org/topic/21219-quads-quandary/page__p__154091__fromsearch__1&#entry154091 Edited December 30, 2009 by keith1200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantadoc Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 That's the all-in-two early irmscher / hella type mounts I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exclusive Opel Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Never did find out why they didn't fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy Posted December 30, 2009 Author Share Posted December 30, 2009 (edited) The bezels are too big. I do not mean a tight fit, they are too big to even fit in the housing. Thanks for the pictures but the ones i have are the original irmscher items not like the ones you have. But it has given me an idea. Thanks Edited December 30, 2009 by Snowy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantadoc Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 So the light units don't fit in the irmscher bezels? Too big a diameter? Following Murphy's law if something doesn't fit it's either the wrong way up, the wrong way around or the wrong part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy Posted December 30, 2009 Author Share Posted December 30, 2009 They are the correct parts. The lights, adjusters etc came from a damaged set of light units i had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantadoc Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Were the dmaged ones originals / one piece bezels? Not trying to ask silly questions, just I've had the one piece bezels with both the Lucas units with the foam rubber band around the side that have mounts on the back of the light glass and the Cibie ones where the mounts are on the plastic ring. The only problem I've had mixinf these pars is on one occasion the three mounting holes for the unit in the bezel were in the worng place which rotated the light a few degrees. I don't even remember that problem previous times I had swapped Cibieto Lucas and vice versa, just once. Only time I haven't been able to mix them was once when I had a set of the earlier ones with metal back plates and they had had larger units fitted behind the bezels that shone through them but didn't fir inside them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keith1200 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Got both sets of lights, best to my understanding, the one pictured above is; after market rep units fitted with larger/flat lamps. You can see in the picture, they are fibreglass copies. The irmscher ones (fitted to exclusive model) is slightly smaller and are 'rounder' i.e. Cibie globes. There is 3 plastic/spring adjusters which are attched to an 'very' thin metal ring, which fits/holds the lamp into the unit, where the ones above are independant of the cover. I could be wrong, maybe someone else will know for sure. GL Keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keith1200 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 (edited) The dimensions; Cibie globes 14.5 cms. Hope that helps. Keith Edited December 30, 2009 by keith1200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy Posted December 30, 2009 Author Share Posted December 30, 2009 All the lights fitted to the quad units be it after market or standard fitment are 5 3/4" lights. I will ask again if someone has the irmscher set up if you can please post a pic of them up from behind and the front. Yes all the parts i have came from irmscher head lights. The bezels just do not fit inside the housing. Being cibie, lucas, or any other make does not make a difference to fitting them inside the irmscher housing. Yes i agree some rotate the light unit around a bit. But that is actually fine. My Mk3 cortina was like that and the beam was pattern was fine. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garymanc Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 anything like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exclusive Opel Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 And here's a front view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy Posted December 31, 2009 Author Share Posted December 31, 2009 Cheers guys that is exactly what i was looking for. Enough to confirm that all the bits i have should fit these irscher units. Thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 (edited) it may be also worth bearing in mind that there were 2 different fixings used on the one piece moulding depending on whether the lamps were cibie or lucas, lucas ones used the 3 independant legs/adjusters which clipped onto the lamps wheras the cibie ones used the bezel ring with the legs on that & the lamp glued in to it . i imagine you already are aware of that but just a thought Edited December 31, 2009 by pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy Posted December 31, 2009 Author Share Posted December 31, 2009 I was, but thanks for the information. I have decided to modify the irmscher housings so i can fit capri light units to the back of them complete with adjusters. They seem to work better than the standard manta items. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantadoc Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 I was, but thanks for the information. I have decided to modify the irmscher housings so i can fit capri light units to the back of them complete with adjusters. They seem to work better than the standard manta items. Thanks Don't cut them up for a minute (just in case you are on a roll) please wait for my next post (about 5 mins) How about a swap? Your bare bezels for the irmscher setup below inc units? (Red one and units not included) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy Posted December 31, 2009 Author Share Posted December 31, 2009 Sorry, you're too late. Already started to modify them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantadoc Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 These take slightly larger units that the complete bsezels do I think, that or the fact that the mounting rings stick out sideways with the adjusters on may be it (these may even be the units you have already) The main / dip units have been swapped to sealed units which cost little more than a bulb to replace and the single mains are original and look ok. Been kicking about a while so obviously don't know if elements work, but they are complete, I unbolted them from J reg in 1999 and they have been in doors in a box since. Backing plates have surface rust to be expected and the only obvious fault is the right hand bezel has been overtightenend and is curved )see pic) this could probably be sorted with clamping or hot water. Anyway just thought I would give you the option as I am short of uncracked on piece bezels. Red one piece beze; and light units in it for reference and not included. What do you think? Shame. (to already cut up) So is this the type you had lights from as they didn't fit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantadoc Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Anyone else fancy a swap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keith1200 Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 All the lights fitted to the quad units be it after market or standard fitment are 5 3/4" lights. Are you really sure about that??? I've got both 'working' rec types! "1/2 inch spanner isn't the same as an 13mm spanner". Thanks for reminding me; about wasting my time 'trying to help' Keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantadoc Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 Are you really sure about that??? I've got both 'working' rec types! "1/2 inch spanner isn't the same as an 13mm spanner". Thanks for reminding me; about wasting my time 'trying to help' Keith Course for the two piece Irmscher Hella type the mounting rings have the screws around the outside so was probably why they didn't fit in the other bezels. I'm just sorry I was too late to maybe do us both a good swap, save cutting up good bezels to make them like the other type which I have and will probably never use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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