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Last year I bought a GTE Exclusive

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(string is not a bonnet lock)

I have finally managed to start working on the car, removing the bumpers, front wings, bonnet, engine, gearbox, pedals, propshaft, and exhaust system, etc. While under and around the car I found bodge jobs, like tape covered in wax oil where the sills should be, body filler where panels should be, and rust where chassis should be (photos to follow). I have taken on the car as a long term (2 year)project, but wonder if I have taken on too much work. As some of the photos show I do have the aid of a big workshop (motorclub, RAF) so I do have an advantage in some respects but where do you say enough is enough. It looks like I will probably have to invest in a body roller (not cheap [:(]), and probably go to a ship yard for steel[:I]. I am not restoring the car to sell on, and I don't mind spending a little extra cash on the car, if it is worth it. but at what stage would you say it is scrap.

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The photos were taken by my phone that's why they are not great I hope the car restoring pixes and faries around my car tonight[:I].

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Thats a few bucket loads of work there. unfortunately your the only one who can make the decision. It would also depend on what condition you want the car in. The chassis legs are your biggest problem I found my car to be a load of work but its nowhere near that! having said that all can be fixed and you wouldnt be the first peson to start stipping a car down, realise the work needed and consider abandoning the project, heck i had the same feeling! Once you get stuck in and see some progress you'll start to feel a lot better about it. When I took what I thought was an excellent car apart I didnt get a good nights sleep for a fortnight!

Take each section at a time and take your time. Youve given yourself a realistic timescale (I gave myself 6 months and now I'm under pressure)and you know what your taking on.

If youre thinking of a body roller there was chat on here a while ago about getting them made up for i think £90, (dont quote me) do a search!

Go on save it! You'll get a warm feeling when youre finished!

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Cheers gunman I know that the biggest problem with the car is me, I so desperately want to get the car on the road, but also I don't want my heart to run away with it as I did when I bought it. My head has to come in to play to calm me down. I am trying to break the repairs in to sections so I start at the front and work back. I have just found a website http://www.beeversautopanels.co.uk that do inner wing mounting rails and complete sills for a good price. I have been keeping an eye on your project as you have given me hope in mine. Hope to carry on with the car soon, but have got a cheap holiday to Tenerife to enjoy first. Hopefully progress will continue from here on

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That looks similar to mine - it will be a load of work and then some!

But, look on the bright side, once it's all done properly you know it's done...and nothing will surprise you any more[8D]

Like Gunman says, take it one step at a time, and those workshop facilities will really help - beats my crappy little domestic garage and rain swept driveway hands down[:)]

If you can weld yourself it helps, and invest in some good kit too.

Anyway - good luck with it, don't let another one go to the scrap heap[:(!]

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judging by the pics I would either

1) get the whole car acid dipped or shot blasted and start from there

or

2) do what i did and attack every part that looks rotten with an angle grinder. You might not have much left afterwards, but at least once its all welded back together you will be safe in the knowledge that its a strong car and that it will last.

I remember seeign a video once of a car with rotten sills being t-boned. not a pretty site. now i just chop out the rot and replace it.

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probably an obvious point but I'll say it anyway, dont go mad with an angle grinder.[:0]. cut out one rotten section at a time and repair it before moving on, keeps the structure and strength. You dont want the car breaking in 2[V][V]. Be especially careful when cutting out the chassis rails and make sure the car is well suported at both sides.

I'm sure this is what the guys meant!

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Time and effort is whats needed, i know you say you want the car on the road, best thing to do is get it in your head that the car won't be on the road for a couple of years.

But if you take the time and do it right you have a car that will serve you for years to come [^]

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Lots of work there..dont try to do too much at one time, try to finish one bit instead of flitting about doing a bit here and there, you wont make any visible progress that way and get fed up.

By the way, which RAF Motorclub is it in...I wish I still had use of one, got posted to a tiny place with nothing at all..

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  • 3 weeks later...

Mick sorry about long reply, been on holiday [:D]. It is at Kinloss, where my last Manta SR Berlinetta spent 18 months in the mid 90's. I hope to start the long process of cutting and welding soon, I just need to find a good steel supplier to start shaping the car. I think I will start with the chasis rails to the front jacking points one side at a time.

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Engine/G,box and front axle off the car. Found the chasis to be completely rotted at o/s fwd axle rear pickup point, n/s not that good either. Seriously thinking of replacing whole chasis both sides as I think I will end up chasing rust to the back of the chasis anyway. Has anyone any suggestions and know of any suppliers, I have looked at dr manta site 500 euros a side, not including postage etc. What is the quality of these parts are they worth it? It looks like somebody as been jumping roundabouts in this car as all chasis members are dented or split/cracked.

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The rot looks typical of most late Mantas,the chaasie rails can be repaired with two layers of 2mm plate,doing one face at a time,using a pre-drilled bolt hole to line everything up,not a truely original finnish,but strong,thats how i repaired mine.

the footwells can be done with steel sheet,as can various areas of the inner wings,battery tray/washer bottle tray,not absolutely original but solid.unless your after a totally original concours winner then these type of repairs wont be noticed.

Wing rails,sills,rear arches and lower rear quarters are available from Hadrian Panels also trading as Car panels http://www.carpanels.com they supply other panel retailers.jacking points come from the club.

Lots and lots of 'us' have done these repairs to our Mantas,it is worth it in the end,not only because you have a GOOD car but also the satisfaction you get has to be experianced,plus the knowledge you gain in doing something like this cant be bought or got out of a book.it seems a lot of trouble but stick with it to the end,i think you'll find it worth it!

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quote:chaasie rails can be repaired with two layers of 2mm plate,doing one face at a time,using a pre-drilled bolt hole to line everything up,not a truely original finnish,but strong,thats how i repaired mine.


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Cheers Ian I will look at doing that, I have found a good supplier for steel,just need to find a trailer that I can get it back on, the minimum size they do is 8'x4'(they don't cut it on site[xx(]).

Does the chassis have a box section at the hole where the rear of the front axle attaches as it seems to on mine.

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Started removing the swan neck part of the chassis, drivers side first

quote:cut out one rotten section at a time and repair it before moving on, keeps the structure and strength
id="quote">id="quote">Cheers Gunman. Box section that strengthens the chassis at the bolt hole rear of front axle is corroded but still intact, more than I can say about the rail, the corrosion jumped of the car before the grinder got near it. I did notice that before the rot set in that it looked like the chassis going up to engine bay was doubled skin, can anyone confirm this? as I don't want to be left with the strength missing by just replacing the rail. I had some better luck as I was checking through my spares I found the swan neck and lower chasis rail spares staring at me, for the drivers side "Billy Bonus".[8D] I hope to upload picys soon. Also removed front cross member, well it jumped of landed on the floor and disintegrated in to a cloud of rust. Starting to feel a little more upbeat about the challenge ahead

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