Shug Posted August 5, 2013 Author Share Posted August 5, 2013 Mark another problem off due to complete stupidity. Someone take this manta off me before I really hit the bottom of the stupid well..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shug Posted August 5, 2013 Author Share Posted August 5, 2013 So, running on 4 cylinders like a bag o spanners. Sounds like timing but can't move distributor any further cos vacuum advance hits cylinder head. But when it was on carbs it wasnt that far round. Difference of about 20 degrees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmanta Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 You can take the dizzy out and put it in 180degrees rotated, just remember to move the leads 180 as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmanta Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Actually, if you are feeling really brave you can set the number 1 position in the dizzy where ever you want, remove it and put a long flat screwdriver down into the oil pump and turn it, then put the dizzy back in then do the timing to number 1 lead to the new position, repeat until happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shug Posted August 5, 2013 Author Share Posted August 5, 2013 Didnt realise you could adjust the oil pump bit like that. Had to abandon car and head back to edinburgh so will have to try again next time. Did have it running briefly sounding ok (had injectors cleaned) but petrol was leaking out injector and I thought pipe had split and took them off, but was just naff jubilee clip. After put them back on really wasnt too good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shug Posted August 17, 2013 Author Share Posted August 17, 2013 Woo hop! It now revs over 2k quite happily. I'll have this thing mot'ed one day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shug Posted August 18, 2013 Author Share Posted August 18, 2013 Scrap that. Back to 3 cylinders and dying if you rev it, except now it doesn't rev over 2k again prob cos its only got 3 cylinders. It's definately sparking and those injector have been cleaned and tested. Is there some reason this bloody car does not want to work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guysat Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Scrap that. Back to 3 cylinders and dying if you rev it, except now it doesn't rev over 2k again prob cos its only got 3 cylinders. It's definately sparking and those injector have been cleaned and tested. Is there some reason this bloody car does not want to work? Hi Shug, I understand your pain I have a 2.4 with 2.2 injection and still don't have it running properly after nearly 2-1/2 years. She will start from cold every time, starts on 2/3 cylinders but quickly has 4-cylinders and will rev very nicely as well,l can leave her running for 30-sec's or 1/2 hour. The problem is stop the engine and she will not restart till completely cold again so cant even take for an MOT :-( I am watching your thread closely hoping your solutions will help me Keep posting please Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shug Posted August 18, 2013 Author Share Posted August 18, 2013 Won't start at all now. Only thing I changed was the mixture screw on afm but put it back again. It was running far far far far too rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmanta Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Put it on a trailer, bring it here. *may take days to get here and back but Manta will work afterwards* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantadoc Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 I keep telling people don't touch the AFM screw. Should never need moving and if it does only with a gas analyser plugged in. Bright side the standard Manta GTE won't rev but will idle quite nicely with it disconnected. Don't know about the 2,2 system though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2908642343 Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 As Paulmanta has suggested........... Put it on a trailer and take it to the manta sanctuary........... It will work when Paul has finished with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmanta Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 I have previous for sorting out reluctant CiH engines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmanta Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 I keep telling people don't touch the AFM screw. Should never need moving and if it does only with a gas analyser plugged in. Bright side the standard Manta GTE won't rev but will idle quite nicely with it disconnected. Don't know about the 2,2 system though. My favourite is when people take the plastic cover off the AFM and then move the spring inside. That takes some sorting out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantadoc Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 My favourite is when people take the plastic cover off the AFM and then move the spring inside. That takes some sorting out. The old 5 notches thing. I wonder how many AFM got moved 5 notches every other owner back in the day lol Not so bad if they took the time to at least mark original position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shug Posted August 18, 2013 Author Share Posted August 18, 2013 (edited) As Paulmanta has suggested........... Put it on a trailer and take it to the manta sanctuary........... It will work when Paul has finished with it. I'd love to but its 727 miles each way, and I have no towbar. Would cost me near 700 quid in fuel, hire and towbar fitting. Otherwise, I'd be halfway there by now! Unless Paul, you have some more gates Edited August 18, 2013 by Shug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmanta Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Could you get it to Shropshire ? you would only need to get it there because I have trucks up there a lot doing work right now and once they bring it back to me it can get fixed, Mot's and you can fly down and drive it home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
611 Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Hi Shug, I understand your pain I have a 2.4 with 2.2 injection and still don't have it running properly after nearly 2-1/2 years. She will start from cold every time, starts on 2/3 cylinders but quickly has 4-cylinders and will rev very nicely as well,l can leave her running for 30-sec's or 1/2 hour. The problem is stop the engine and she will not restart till completely cold again so cant even take for an MOT :-( I am watching your thread closely hoping your solutions will help me Keep posting please Guy Hey Guy When you stop the car can you turn it over by hand? Had a friend who had a cortina and it did exactly the same thing. When he stripped it down an oil way to the crank was blocked and it was ok when running but when you turned it off it would seize and not turn over until it had cooled enough for things to free up and would start ok again. Might not be the problem on yours but its worth a try as it took him ages to work out the problem. we use to pull in to the petrol station and he would fill it up while it was running or we would not get going again and have to sit there for about an hour until it cooled down again :-) Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guysat Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Hey Guy When you stop the car can you turn it over by hand? Had a friend who had a cortina and it did exactly the same thing. When he stripped it down an oil way to the crank was blocked and it was ok when running but when you turned it off it would seize and not turn over until it had cooled enough for things to free up and would start ok again. Might not be the problem on yours but its worth a try as it took him ages to work out the problem. we use to pull in to the petrol station and he would fill it up while it was running or we would not get going again and have to sit there for about an hour until it cooled down again :-) Andy Hi Andy No the engine is fine to turn over, the starter motor will crank it over, it just has no intention of re-starting Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shug Posted August 18, 2013 Author Share Posted August 18, 2013 I had this problem when engine was on carbs. The timing was out. fine from cold but wouldnt start when hot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
611 Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Hi Andy No the engine is fine to turn over, the starter motor will crank it over, it just has no intention of re-starting Guy Hi Guy Just a thought. I know what its like trying to sort these things out. Im putting injection on mine but not got as far as the trying to start her up stage yet :-) Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shug Posted August 19, 2013 Author Share Posted August 19, 2013 Investigated a little today. Its definitely sparking. Fuel pump is running on cranking. Injectors are getting no signal when cranking. Every plug in loom is secure and all earthed. Mystifying why it suddenly completely stopped working. Currently trying to figure out how to get it 724 miles south! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantadoc Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 make sure fuel pump is running and earth for injectors is tight and it's classic green wire as that rev counter feed triggers the injectors (unless 2.2 has a crank sensor) Other than that check loom for breaks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shug Posted August 20, 2013 Author Share Posted August 20, 2013 Found a trailer. Just need something to tow it now. My audi will never make it, Had a worrying lurch and buzzing noise coming from the already suspect wheel bearing. I think its on its last legs. Mind you, I have relay breakdown cover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmanta Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Lets go to Emails, you only need to get it as far as near shrewsbury. Then you can unload it and put it on a big truck to come the rest of the way, leave me sort it out and MOT it and fly down/megabus/hitch/bicycle and pick it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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