kikobot Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Hello, i own a 69 rekord c fastback, i know its not a manta but this is the only site where i found discussions about swapping modern engine in an old opel, so i apologize I would like to get informations about swapping an x20xev from opel omega b 1996 in my rekord c, i think its the same thing that doing this swap in a manta A ? My first question is, what about electronic? sensors, ecu etc ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantaray Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Hello. Don't know about the X20XEV, but I would have throght it would be very similar to the X20XE. As long as you get the ECU, engine loom ect. then they are quite easy to drop in. I have just fitted an X25XE into an A series and there are only 6 wires that need to be conected into the car loom, and I would think that the X20Xe will be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 If you want to use the standard injection system from the X20XEV in your car you will need the loom, ecu, transponder and chip all matching. Quiet easy to wire in. Just the extra wires for the immobiliser over the XE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kikobot Posted February 6, 2016 Author Share Posted February 6, 2016 Thanks for your answers I am actually searching for a complete omega B as a donor, i will have the engine gearbox and loom, ecu and transponder and chip! I would like to know if there i a way to bypass immo before uninstalling the engine from the omega, just to have a more "simple" wiring loom when i drop it into the rekord ps: on french sites, everybody tells me to find a c20ne because i will have problems with a x20xev swap, whats your opinion? Thx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorblue5 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 With the X20XEV you will have to seal up the EGR system on the back of the head unless you have enough clearance to the bulkhead. The immobilizer cant be easily bypassed but you could just mount the unit behind the dash and glue the transponder from the key onto it so it gets a signal constantly. I have just fitted a z20leh engine which is the turbocharged version of the X20XEV but iv ran it on aftermarket management, Depending on the age of the X20XEV you will need a new oil pickup pipe as it has a different oil pump, unless of course you can use the original sump as us manta folks have to use the winged sump due to the subframe clearance. If you can use the original sump your winning as thats half the battle, gearbox wise you will have to use a Getrag 240 from a Manta 1.8 or an Omega r25-26 box with the necessary modifications, mainly a hydraulic clutch conversion. Its a pretty big undertaking but well worth the effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantadoc Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 For X20XEV read UPKs thread in Manta modifications. His thread is omega donor based but if obviously transposable for FWD based. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Snowy Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 There are companies you can send the ecu away to that will disable the immobiliser. I did this with my calibre when the immobiliser failed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kikobot Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 Hello, i am back from the workshop where my rekord is "sleeping", and after a long look at the car, it seems that there are 2 big issues: There isnt much room to set up a master clutch cylinder ( as the clutch on omega B is hydraulic and rekord is by "cable") and the pan oil assy on omega B is made of alloy and it is hard to modify Do you have ideas about these 2 points? Can i use a sump from another engine, made of STEEL, that fit on x20xev engine block? PS: thank for the UPK thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kikobot Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 NO advices ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne ingham Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 On your clutch you say that the not much room in the engine bay????. If that is the case can you use a remout reserve,Clylinder on it owen and a pipe from the clylinder to the reserve. (same on a motor cycles) lf you can look at a Nissan Qashqia clutch master clylinder set up you will see what l mean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 You can use a sump from a cavalier fitted with the 1.8 or 2.0 8 valve engines. Early ones are steel. But does your donor engine have the balance shafts fitted or not? You don't need them but there is a little work needed to remove them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantamike Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 You can also use an older R25 gearbox from an omega A with a c20ne engine, which have a cable operated clutch lever. And I think those older omega engines have steel sumps which correct me if I'm wrong should fit an x20xev. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 15 hours ago, mantamike said: You can also use an older R25 gearbox from an omega A with a c20ne engine, which have a cable operated clutch lever. And I think those older omega engines have steel sumps which correct me if I'm wrong should fit an x20xev. I'm not certain if they do or not but yes any early Vauxhall fitted with a 20NE, C20NE, 20SE, 20SEH. 18SV, 18S, 18E, 18SE, C18NZ which have a steel sump will fit the X20XEV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kikobot Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) thx, for the clutch master cylinder i see what you mean ! For the sump, are you sure a 20ne steel sump and others engines of that period will fit with a x20xev block ? But what do you mean by "balance shafts fitted ", sorry i am french PS: i have two donors options: an opel omega a 1989 with a c20ne 120 000 KMS OR an opel omega b 1996 with ecotec 131 000 KMS, both are close to my town and about 600 euros I am looking for reliability and fuel economy as its for a daily driver Edited February 11, 2016 by kikobot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 2 hours ago, kikobot said: thx, for the clutch master cylinder i see what you mean ! For the sump, are you sure a 20ne steel sump and others engines of that period will fit with a x20xev block ? But what do you mean by "balance shafts fitted ", sorry i am french PS: i have two donors options: an opel omega a 1989 with a c20ne 120 000 KMS OR an opel omega b 1996 with ecotec 131 000 KMS, both are close to my town and about 600 euros I am looking for reliability and fuel economy as its for a daily driver The X20XEV is the one to go for I don't know how else to describe the balance shafts. I will have to get a picture. The C20NE and X20XEV have essentially the same engine blocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upk Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Balance shafts can be seen in my thread I posted before. They in the sump pan below the crank. Instructions to remove are included in the thread. Balance shafts can be seen in my thread I posted before. They in the sump pan below the crank. Instructions to remove are included in the thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANTAMAN Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 4 hours ago, kikobot said: PS: i have two donors options: an opel omega a 1989 with a c20ne 120 000 KMS OR an opel omega b 1996 with ecotec 131 000 KMS, both are close to my town and about 600 euros I am looking for reliability and fuel economy as its for a daily driver The C20NE would be simpler to fit, the injection system and wiring loom are are only one generation later than the Manta GSi, so would be easier to understand and maintain, This engine can have a Manta 1.8L sump and gearbox bolted to it. I have a Carlton 2.0L estate ( Omega A Touring ) and that will do 13km per litre, the Touring version is a heavy car, the Manta is much lighter so should have even better fuel consumption figures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 6 hours ago, MANTAMAN said: The C20NE would be simpler to fit, the injection system and wiring loom are are only one generation later than the Manta GSi, so would be easier to understand and maintain, This engine can have a Manta 1.8L sump and gearbox bolted to it. I have a Carlton 2.0L estate ( Omega A Touring ) and that will do 13km per litre, the Touring version is a heavy car, the Manta is much lighter so should have even better fuel consumption figures. They are just as easy to fit. But with the x20xev you get better power and torque delivery, better fuel economy all for the sake off a few extra wires. Why are people so scared of an immobiliser ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kikobot Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 Thanks for the picture, i understand , if the donor have balanced shaft , it will not fit with the rekord crossmember, even if i modify the sump Am i right? How can i know if donor have balanced shaft, the donor i found is year 1996, is it year dependant? upk, the link for your thread doesnt work for , it says: Sorry, we can't show this content because you do not have permission to see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upk Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Looks like you need to join the club to get full site access. Would be a wise move on your part to open Pandora's box of information!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kikobot Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) ok , the "web member" is enough to get the informations i need for my swap? Because i dont plan to come to uk this year even if i would like to buy parts for my "classic minis" and go to a drum and bass party as when i was younger Edited February 12, 2016 by kikobot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kikobot Posted February 13, 2016 Author Share Posted February 13, 2016 hi, is it ok for "web member"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne ingham Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 On your clucth ,if you go to your project 1978 manta Sr berlinatta -Australian version you will see on page 9 a clutch master cylinder.hope this helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTREA Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Hey Kikobot yes web member is fine, i use that from Australia Wayne thats a remote Brake master on the firewall and remote brake booster under my front guard the cars auto, but yes the principal is the same and it does help in tight spaces What are you doing for a brake booster? Will it clear ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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