Manta 400 engine

[Thebishop]

Hi guys, just wondering what a manta 400 engine & matching number gearbox is worth?

I was told by seller that's it's a manta 400 engine 2.2cih bored out to 2.4. 

Is it actually a 400 engine or are these quite common. Seller told me that only 400 were made.

I don't know about these things, but would appreciate advice, help or any comments.

Regards 

[mantadoc]

You need to post a picture.  400 engine is 16V and not just a cut down GSi3000 6 cylinder head to "make" a 16V from a modified CIH, point being that just being 16V and CIH is not enough.

[Thebishop]

Thanks for quick response will get pics nxt wk as it's in storage. 

[mantadoc]

Few pics of Road 400 lump here. Most competition engines dumped the injection and used carbs

 

 

[robah]

I have seen genuine engines advertised for around £10,000 but they are fully working engines. Not saying they have sold for that but just what I have seen while perusing the interweb.

[Thebishop]

Thanks robah, will have to try and get my hands on that engine

[H-400]

Hi Ross,

an original 400 engine is not  a bored out 2.2, 

And tell the seller there were more than 400 engines made. 

But they are very rare, and I know some street engines sold for 20.000Euro...

The engine has got a nitrated harded crankshaft that can handle without preparation 300hp.

 

 

[GTEPETE]

Remember going to see a silver 'Manta 400' advertised at a dealers in West London, turned out to be a i240.....

[ascona400r]

On 9/12/2016 at 22:37, Thebishop said:

Hi guys, just wondering what a manta 400 engine & matching number gearbox is worth?

I was told by seller that's it's a manta 400 engine 2.2cih bored out to 2.4. 

Is it actually a 400 engine or are these quite common. Seller told me that only 400 were made.

I don't know about these things, but would appreciate advice, help or any comments.

Regards 

Manta 400 engine came standard with a 2.4 block.

If you don't know what one looks like then google a pic, and if its a genuine 400 engine thats offered for sale then get her bought....

 

[Thebishop]

Hopefully can view engine this wkend. What would it be worth engine and gearbox matching numbers in storage with 8 years so hasn't been run. But turns easily I've been told . 

Edited September 15, 2016 by Thebishop
Wrong info

[andyc]

If that's a genuine 400 motor & box for  for that money i'd be ripping his hand off

 

 

[H-400]

The original gearbox of a M-400 is a Getrag 262, so be sure they don't try to sell you a 265.

Matching numbers is something else. I've got all the papers of my car and found that engine-number is matching.

But I didn't found any gearbox number in the papers. The previous owners informed me the gearbox was nevere changed so 

this gearbox is original. Also because it is a 262, and a BMW 262 doesn't fit unless you use a BMW clutch...

What is it worth? What somebody wants to pay for it...

 

[Irmscher Man]

IShame you didnt buy that i240 Pete....rarer than a 400 and probably cheaper too. We used to see quite a few of them in the club at one stage but they all seem to have ended up tucked away in garages (or rusting on driveways in the West Yorks area in the case of the Red one !)

Genuine 400 engine is dead easy to spot as it doesnt look like anything else at all - (see attached).

[Thebishop]

Going to view tomorrow afternoon so all will be revealed. Think he has alot of parts too😊

[Irmscher Man]

Oooooo.....take some photos if you can without upsetting the owner. Be interesting to see what he has got and what the parts are. You might have found a little hoard there!....then again, it might not. I did hear a story very similar to this last year and there was a complete i300 tucked away in pieces in someones garage, so you never know!

[Thebishop]

Will do I might make a bulk hopefully. Will keep ye posted all depends on his prices. 

[Thebishop]

Well went to see 400 engine today and guess what it wasn't a 400 engine. It's a i200 engine he informed me and he's looking for €1000????????

I bought a imrscher 3 piece spoiler never painted and a set of imrscher quad lights and got a spare wheel. So if your looking for any of these I may sell.

He's also selling a 86 gte coupe needs work and paint .

 

 

 

[Irmscher Man]

Be interesting to know where the engine came from. If it's from a genuine i200 then I guess another one may have bitten the dust. Not sure what a genuine i200 engine be would cost nowadays but you would be looking at quite a bit just for the camshaft. 

[robah]

On ‎16‎/‎09‎/‎2016 at 19:07, Thebishop said:

Well went to see 400 engine today and guess what it wasn't a 400 engine. It's a i200 engine he informed me and he's looking for €1000????????

I bought a imrscher 3 piece spoiler never painted and a set of imrscher quad lights and got a spare wheel. So if your looking for any of these I may sell.

He's also selling a 86 gte coupe needs work and paint .

Always good to check out information on the forum as there is a lot of experience and knowledgeable people on here. I wonder what response you would have got on the Farcebook site.

[Danny D114BCW]

Any details on the coupe he has for sale. i200 engine, the money is only in the head really to be honest u can't imagine more than £500 ???

[Thebishop]

Ya the coupe is fairly rough, needs roof, bonnet etc a lot of work nice 400 arches and he's looking for €4000.

will know more about i200 engine tomorrow. 

I presume i200 engine would fit directly into my manta ?

[Danny D114BCW]

Yes it will fit straight in, the only difference between a standard GTE engine and an i200 in the main is the rocker cover, distributor and the head which had a little bit of work and produced a bit more BHP, (130 I think) 

[Retro Power]

Just as an aside, a brand new 400 engine is currently around 25,000euro from Ulrich Gerent. This is 300+ hp and 320+nm torque. Considering that a historic bda with 260hp and much less torque is £25,000 from the usual uk suppliers, that is very good value. He has brand new head castings and all brand new internals, and that is supplied dyno run, ready to bolt in and go.