les87GTE Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 As we all know E10 is now the standard unleaded fuel at the pumps with some petrol stations, my local Sainsbury's being one, only selling E10. Whilst some stations will sell E5 Super Unleaded fuels for the foreseeable future (I know this is the easy way to resolve the issue) can a Manta ever be fully compatible with E10? If so, does anyone have a full comprehensive list of things that would be required, assuming they're available, to make an injected Manta E10 compliant? Obviously, fuel hoses are readily available, new Bosch fuel pumps are E20 rated, fuel filters are available but what else needs changing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantean Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 One of the biggest issues is that E10 is hydroscopic so for a vehicle that’s not been used much and has E10 petrol in it there will be a lot of corrosion on various parts of the fuel system. If you’re storing a car with fuel in it it’s always best to make sure the tank is full. There are additives you can add to E10 to help reduce the damaging affects of it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutty2006 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Injector seals would be another at a guess but unsure if you can get them yet, rated to e10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les87GTE Posted September 13, 2021 Author Share Posted September 13, 2021 I've recently replaced the injector seals from edelschmiede and will e-mail Thomas and ask the question. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmanta Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Remove the ethanol from the petrol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les87GTE Posted September 16, 2021 Author Share Posted September 16, 2021 This is the reply that I received from Thomas at Edelschiede. Hello Steve, I'm not sure, if the seals are ready for E10. The material quality is FPM 75 Shore. Perhaps you can use this information 😊 Best regards from Germany Thomas Nastke I have subsequently spoken to a couple of companies in the UK that manufacture seals and they have confirmed that FPM 75 Shore is suitable for use with E10 fuel. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmanta Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 I was being serious... This is what I'm doing. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les87GTE Posted September 17, 2021 Author Share Posted September 17, 2021 9 hours ago, paulmanta said: I was being serious... This is what I'm doing. Hi Paul, I thank you for the above post and it does look very straight forward, albeit a bit of faffing around if you just want to drive your car. However, my point was whether we can successfully drive our cars on E10. The way I see it we have three options; 1. Remove the ethanol 2. Find & use E5 or 3. Use E10. Of the three closest petrol stations to me two only sell E10 and the other has promised to keep E5, so I have options 1 & 2 available but can I make option 3 work for me? Is there anything inside the fuel tank that will be adversely affected by E10? I can change all the fuel pipes, fuel pump, fuel filter and now know the injector seals will be ok but is that enough for E10? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmanta Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 The main trouble I have with ethanol is that is absorbs water from the atmosphere and will accelerate the rusting of the steel tank. Its also got a lower calorific value so you burn more and get lower mpg. Plus it rots rubber and seals plus eats old alloy parts. Yeah, it's not going near my manta ! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
611 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Tesco near me used to do the super unleaded E5 but for the last few weeks those pumps have had out of use covers over them so i suspect that they will be stopping it! I think mine should be ok for all the seals, pipes etc.. as i fitted the aftermarket injection to mine but like paulmanta says, it the water in the tank that is the main issue if you go through times when its not being used much and i know you can drain it but its a faff. Will just need to keep using mine daily when its back on the road! Andy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmanta Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Anyone remember "LRP" ? It wasn't available all that long. Ive been playing with fuel for a while anyway, I have a few potion options depending on if it's for a car or the mower ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantacrazy22 Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Be interested to hear if anyone is running e10 with an additive I've seen a few on the market but not sure about them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les87GTE Posted October 16, 2021 Author Share Posted October 16, 2021 Happy days! Following a tip off from a mate of mine, I can now fill my car with E0 unleaded at a petrol station approx. 9 miles from my house. It's in Bolney, West Sussex along the A272 on the way to Cowfold. I spoke to the cashier who confirmed that they only sell E0 unleaded (currently £1.39.9/ltr) and that management had said that it was staying that way 😁. The station is run by Power, only has two pumps and is known as Bolney Cross Village Store. Hopefully one or two other club members may be able to make use of it? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooker Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, les87GTE said: Happy days! Following a tip off from a mate of mine, I can now fill my car with E0 unleaded at a petrol station approx. 9 miles from my house. It's in Bolney, West Sussex along the A272 on the way to Cowfold. I spoke to the cashier who confirmed that they only sell E0 unleaded (currently £1.39.9/ltr) and that management had said that it was staying that way 😁. The station is run by Power, only has two pumps and is known as Bolney Cross Village Store. Hopefully one or two other club members may be able to make use of it? 20 miles from me & I tend to put in the premium but good to know 👍 Smart coupe you have there 😎 Edited October 16, 2021 by Trooker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutty2006 Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 We could do with a garage like that near us in Staffordshire! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
®evo03 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Smart move, can see this being a hit with classic owners and bikers. If it was marketed right, advertised and promoted could be onto a brilliant business venture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les87GTE Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 Alex, don't be fooled by the photo. A quick glance and my car looks fine but under closer inspection there are many many jobs that need doing. I'm slowing ticking some off the list but, as we plan on moving next year, the larger jobs will have to wait until then. For now I just enjoy having it back on the road.😁👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooker Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 hour ago, les87GTE said: Alex, don't be fooled by the photo. A quick glance and my car looks fine but under closer inspection there are many many jobs that need doing. I'm slowing ticking some off the list but, as we plan on moving next year, the larger jobs will have to wait until then. For now I just enjoy having it back on the road.😁👍 I guess it’s all perspective, you should see my old nail 😂 it’s kinda 3 steps forward 1 step back on the jobs front but I really enjoy having it on the road too 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal001 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) Found this on the web. Might be an easier solution for all. It’s worth remembering that E10 is not the only option. E5 is likely to remain on UK forecourts for another five years, but even better for owners of historic cars could be investigating ethanol-free fuels. At the time of writing, there is no requirement for ethanol to be included in super unleaded (97/99) grade petrol, so if you’re driving a cherished older vehicle (or putting one into long term car storage), consider a switch to the UK’s only ethanol-free fuels, Esso Synergy Supreme+ Unleaded 97 and Synergy Supreme+ 99. Taking a long-term view, we’d advise that any car with fuel held in the tank for over three years should be drained and replaced with ethanol-free petrol. What’s in our Synergy Supreme+99 premium petrol Our Synergy Supreme+ 99 petrol has more cleaning power than our regular petrol – and includes molecules whose job it is to reduce the friction in your engine helping the moving parts work more efficiently.* Although our pumps have E5 labels on them, our Synergy Supreme+ 99 is actually ethanol free (except, due to technical supply reasons, in Devon, Cornwall, North Wales, North England and Scotland). Legislation requires us to place these E5 labels on pumps that dispense unleaded petrol with ‘up to 5% ethanol’, including those that contain no ethanol, which is why we display them on our Synergy Supreme+ 99 pumps. There’s currently no requirement for renewable fuel, like ethanol, to be present in super unleaded petrol although this could change in the future, in which case we would comply with any new legislation. Find your nearest Esso branded station Edited October 17, 2021 by Kal001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cam.in.head Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 thats what ive been using. even in my modern car too. no issues exept a bit dearer but everything has gone up anyway ! although............ when you read about other countries especially ones that have E85 and some that have had E 10 for ages they seem to suggest that we are worriyng about nothing ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal001 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 On 18/10/2021 at 11:51, cam.in.head said: thats what ive been using. even in my modern car too. no issues exept a bit dearer but everything has gone up anyway ! although............ when you read about other countries especially ones that have E85 and some that have had E 10 for ages they seem to suggest that we are worriyng about nothing ? Does that include the old girls like ours ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cam.in.head Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 yes .synergy 99 is ethanol free so no issues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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