Ems Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 (edited) I removed the clutch from the Manta today and noticed the springs have been rubbing against the ARP bolts. It's a C20XE with flat flywheel and Manta 1.8 gearbox. On one spring it's worn through a third of the wire's diameter, is it safe to re-fit or do I need a new clutch? Has anyone else had similar problems? Thank you. Edited July 30, 2022 by Ems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutty2006 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 Hmmm that’s odd. My money is on one part is 100% wrong. Are the bolts sticking out too far? Is it the correct friction plate for this setup? Is the friction plate in the wrong way round? if those springs snap, and I’ve had them snap on my Landrover and seen them explode on tractor units, you will not be able to select gears properly. out of curiosity what is the friction and pressure plate out of? I think mine is calibra turbo but can’t remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooker Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 No help to you but I have this problem but on my CIH setup. Still running with flattened/worn springs well over a year on since discovering the issue but had little choice but to put it back together. I have a new clutch ready and been looking for a 8.5” GTE flywheel to no avail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessopia74 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 What drive plate is it? F28 gearbox plate should be correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ems Posted July 30, 2022 Author Share Posted July 30, 2022 (edited) Thanks for the replies, I have no idea what clutch kit is fitted as I got it with the car. It's done between less than 10k miles since it was fitted. There's still 7mm of friction material on the plate. I changed the original flywheel bolts for ARP ones. What individual parts do I need to replace the clutch? Edited July 30, 2022 by Ems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDY ABBOTT Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 (edited) Is the friction plate in backwards ? Been a while since I messed with xe stuff can't remember if it's possible to have the plate in the wrong way around. Edited July 30, 2022 by ANDY ABBOTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Barrett Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 easily done getting it wrong way round as not a lot in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ems Posted July 31, 2022 Author Share Posted July 31, 2022 Just checked, there's only one way the clutch plate will go on as the centre is offset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutty2006 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Can you take one ARP bolt out and measure the head depth against an original? any info on if the flywheel has been skimmed before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ems Posted July 31, 2022 Author Share Posted July 31, 2022 (edited) Thank you for all your help. I haven't got an original flywheel bolt and no history of the flywheel unfortunately. The area where the friction plate touches the flywheel is not flush with the outer part - should it be? Edited July 31, 2022 by Ems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rutts Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 The flywheel has a recess that is correct. I had same problem using a calibra turbo clutch in my flat flywheel xe with the clutch hub rubbing on flywheel bolts. Took it out and had one made at c+g clutches Leeds to avoid this issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessopia74 Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 46 minutes ago, rutts said: The flywheel has a recess that is correct. I had same problem using a calibra turbo clutch in my flat flywheel xe with the clutch hub rubbing on flywheel bolts. Took it out and had one made at c+g clutches Leeds to avoid this issue. That’s possibly the difference between the pot type and the flat type flywheel clutch (drive) plate. I have been trying to find thus info for ages as there is conflicting info about the difference. Some say none, others say there is. F28 16v(none turbo) pressure plate should be correct type as it’s the engine that used same splines and flat type XE flywheel. But I wonder if sone manufacturers have standardised the part for the latter that actually does not 100% fit flat flywheel 🤔💁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ems Posted August 1, 2022 Author Share Posted August 1, 2022 Thanks for the updates, so I need a Calibra Turbo clutch plate and a Manta thrust bearing, what cover plate do I need? 2 hours ago, rutts said: The flywheel has a recess that is correct. I had same problem using a calibra turbo clutch in my flat flywheel xe with the clutch hub rubbing on flywheel bolts. Took it out and had one made at c+g clutches Leeds to avoid this issue. Do you have any part numbers for this clutch? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rutts Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 16v flat flywheel cover. I just had a 230mm plate made by c+g to fit a getrag 240. With a small 215mm Gte size hub with six load springs . £120 think the turbo plate is 228mm. Talk to mick he will sort you out great service every time I have used them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ems Posted August 10, 2022 Author Share Posted August 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, rutts said: 16v flat flywheel cover. I just had a 230mm plate made by c+g to fit a getrag 240. With a small 215mm Gte size hub with six load springs . £120 think the turbo plate is 228mm. Talk to mick he will sort you out great service every time I have used them. I've sent the flywheel, bolts and all the clutch components to him. The cover plate must have been wrong as well as they said the fork had been hitting it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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