JohnClayton Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 This rally car: http://forums.mantaclub.org/topic/24398-87-coupe-clubman-rally-car/page__gopid__200480#entry200480 currently has an open diff in it, so what models of car out there can be a donor for an LSD that can be bought for reasonable money and will bolt in (without too much faff)? If there aren't any suitable Manta diffs, can a Sierra or Granada Viscous LSD be fitted in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shug Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 What do you define as reasonable money? You can buy a variety of new diffs for the manta. ~£700 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Abbott Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 You can fit the atlas from a ford, the Salisbury from a rover sd1, the 4ha from various cars. Fully independent from a ford or bmw. The problem is that all the above will cost more than just putting a LSD unit into the standard manta diff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnClayton Posted December 13, 2012 Author Share Posted December 13, 2012 . The problem is that all the above will cost more than just putting a LSD unit into the standard manta diff. Righto -roughly how much will it cost to put an LSD into a Manta diff, do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shug Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I'm sure someone here was quoted about a grand, including the lsd, which was considered a good price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Abbott Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Righto -roughly how much will it cost to put an LSD into a Manta diff, do you think? last time i had one done, it was around the £350 mark to have it taken out of a diff that i had blown the pinion bearing in and put it back into another manta axle. That included new bearings, crush washer and setting up the mesh with a new CWP. I believe the price of the bearings has more than doubled since i had it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnClayton Posted December 13, 2012 Author Share Posted December 13, 2012 (edited) Quaife Opel Manta/GT/Ascona LSD ATB Differentialhttp://www.motorsport-tools.com/quaife-opel-mantagtascona-lsd-atb-differential-p-269064.html £700 inc VATPhantomGrip LSD-Kit Opel Mantahttp://www.mts-motorsport.com/PhantomGrip-LSD-Kit-Opel-Manta 279 Euros or on eBay direct from the US: 1970 - 1988 OPEL MANTA LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL LSD http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1970-1988-OPEL-MANTA-LIMITED-SLIP-DIFFERENTIAL-LSD-/200762989463?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Model%3AManta&hash=item2ebe681b97 http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Phantom-Grip-Limited-Slip-Kits?_trksid=p2047675.l2563 £198 + £30 delivery (from US to UK) There are also 2 on eBay (new): Opel Manta GRIPPER LSD ultimate PLATE TYPE diff http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Opel-Manta-GRIPPER-LSD-ultimate-PLATE-TYPE-diff-/270721481573?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3f0841fb65 £900 + £17 delivery Quaife Opel Manta/GT/Ascona LSD ATB Differential http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Quaife-Opel-Manta-GT-Ascona-LSD-ATB-Differential-/230689271225?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item35b626edb9 £785 + £9 delivery Edited April 8, 2013 by JohnClayton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Abbott Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 (edited) Quaife Opel Manta/GT/Ascona LSD ATB Differential http://www.motorspor...l-p-269064.html £700 inc VAT PhantomGrip LSD-Kit Opel Manta http://www.mts-motor...-Kit-Opel-Manta 279 Euros There are also 2 on eBay (new) for £900 and £745 approx The phantom one looks like what people used to do with a slab of steel and an arc welder creating a locked diff. That's what a grasser or banger racer will do but on a road car it's not a good idea as it will cause traction problems going around corners due to the wheels travelling in different arcs.. Fit a proper plate diff from zf or a copy from gripper,the quaife ones don't grip correctly either as they are a geared diff I have been in cars, driven and experienced both plate and geared diffs Plates are the best most progressive ones you will use Edited December 13, 2012 by Kevin Abbott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falk5150 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Someone might've already mentioned the isuzu piazza turbo lsd fitting, but as they seem to have all rotted to death etc, i think the chances of finding one rather slim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickincrete Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 lot of information on yhe phantom on opelgt.com it does not lock up the diff and is good for road use i will be buying one for my turbo 2.2 opel gt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickincrete Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 http://stores.ebay.it/Phantom-Grip-Limited-Slip-Kits/OPEL-/_i.html?_fsub=10228685 much cheaper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mototechnics Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Fit a proper plate diff from zf Don't mean to be thick but what do people mean when they are talking about a zf with regards to LSDs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantasrme Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 ZF is the name of the manufacturers. They made the OE spec diffs for the manta aswell as rally/race diffs (OE spec have ramp angles and pre-load more suited to the road, but thay can be changed to rally spec) I can only think of 3 companies that make/made LSDs for the manta ZF, Quaife and Gripper. ZF no longer make new diffs so you'll only find them in used condition, they are a plate diff and the replacement plates are once again available. Not sure if different side gears are available currently though. Quaife will make new diffs but require a silly amount to be ordered to run off a batch (10 or 20 i think it was) and they are a torque biasing diff (ok for road, but no wherenear as good as a plate and useless for competition) Gripper are the only ones who sell new diffs currently, and again they are plate diffs and any ramp angles or preload is available from stock (as are spares). They are not cheap at around £850 but they are very good and work very well (its what i run in the rally car) I'm not including the Phantom grip thing as its not a real LSD in my eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJM Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 If anyone wants spares side gears for the ZF I have a number of genuine ZF NOS available. £45 each. Regards Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnClayton Posted April 8, 2013 Author Share Posted April 8, 2013 How does a Phantom Grip Limited Slip insert REALLY work? [by an independent engineer] http://mycomputerninja.com/?p=440 and some comments from users of the Phantom (not too good): http://www.team-integra.net/forum/14-performance/2705-phantom-grip-limited-slip-differential.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorblue5 Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Does anybody know of any engineers able to fit and set up an lsd, drive in drive out job?? Prices?? Would be very useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallycinq Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 There was a company at Race Retro manufacturing manta plate LSDs, I have the catalogue somewhere, but my desk is a mess..... Cheers D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnClayton Posted June 13, 2013 Author Share Posted June 13, 2013 Get that desk under control and post the info up, bro! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurocamper1 Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 can any lsd from other gm cars fit like ones from camaro firebird is it cheaper to find a 200/700 volvo rear with lsd than buy a lsd for manta rear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Abbott Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Plenty of stuff fits and are cheaper than a manta LSD If you can fit an axle from another car and do it on your own then you're on to a winner. If you have to pay someone to fit it then it will be a much much more expensive. I'm getting retro power to do mine ( 4HA ) And I don't think I will get any change out of 2k But I will never have to put another diff in the car. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rutthenut Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Plenty of stuff fits and are cheaper than a manta LSD If you can fit an axle from another car and do it on your own then you're on to a winner. If you have to pay someone to fit it then it will be a much much more expensive. I'm getting retro power to do mine ( 4HA ) And I don't think I will get any change out of 2k But I will never have to put another diff in the car. Wouldn't cost £2K to fit a Manta LSD, would it? But I'm assuming the 4HA setup will include four-link, the lsd, plus rear discs (and maybe five-stud hubs, if desired). In which case you get a lot for the money, And done by people who know how it all goes together, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Abbott Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 (edited) A standard Manta axle with a decent lsd set up in it will cost around a grand, more if you then add a steel torque tube, rear disc conversion, uprated doughnut and bobbins, nylon bushes etc If you manage to find a lsd in a manta axle then if it's not stripped down and rebuilt ( £500+) then if it goes bang due to a worn pinion bearing ( the weak link) you are into a rebuild anyway Yea the 4HA is going to be done like a 400 axle, i already have 2 xjs lsd units ( massive items) and a variety of ratios to play with from old 4HA axles I have converted the 4HA to 5 stud 5x120 as I'm using BMW split rims and i will make my own rear disc kit. Callum from RP put me onto nissan skyline discs and calipers they have had good success with on the 4HA Good luck with the hunt There may be some pics of my axle in my build thread.. http://forums.mantaclub.org/topic/30404-manta-400-r-cosworth-update-jan-2013/?hl=cosworth Edited July 2, 2013 by Kevin Abbott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurocamper1 Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 just saw this on ebay.de wondering if the (lsd only) can fit in a manta axle http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121168943798?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnClayton Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 (edited) There's some useful info on this forum thread Opel manta b lsd gripper diff, anyone have? http://www.britishrally.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=57015&sid=a887934a49a757df5756b07a179f19e4 [info pasted out below, for reference] Simple! Ask Jon Balinger, walking encyclopedia on Manta's. Top Mantasport Post subject: Re: Opel manta b lsd gripper diff, anyone have? Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:51 am Senior Member Joined: Sun Nov 30, 2003 1:00 amPosts: 1560Location: Harrogate I doubt you will find a second hand gripper diff for a manta anywhere for sale to be honest. Manta LSD's do come up secondhand occasionally but only the old ZF type, not often in the uk but try German E-bay for more available diffs Anyone with a gripper lsd in their car won't be selling it unless the car is totaled, and even then they will most likely build another car. Top drew19 Post subject: Re: Opel manta b lsd gripper diff, anyone have? Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 12:54 pm Newbie Joined: Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:56 pmPosts: 132 Assuming it is the standard axle then Ascona A 1.9 had one as standard Kadett GTE coupe had them as standard Both of these were ZP plate diffs. I was lucky enough to find them in scrap yards a long time ago £25 each they cost me..... So you don't need one from a Manta as the Ascona A and B series, Manta A and B series, RWD Kadett all have the same axle ASSUMING they had the 1.9 or 2.0 engine. Happy hunting. Top TJMsport Post subject: Re: Opel manta b lsd gripper diff, anyone have? Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 1:50 pm Newbie Joined: Sat Mar 06, 2004 1:00 amPosts: 71 Just be careful that you get the correct offset diff to suit your crown wheel and pinion as there is approx 4mm difference between some ratios. Regards Tim Edited September 3, 2014 by JohnClayton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davep Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 There is another manufacturer of LSD for Mantas, they are Titan Products,see www.titan.uk.net, and they list diffs for both types of axles (3.44:1 and higher and 3.67:1 and lower). They are plate diffs and you have a choice of steel, sintered or carbon plates, steel being the cheapest. I have been quoted £750.00 + VAT for the sintered type. If you want a want a ZF LSD diff I have one for the high ratio axles when I get a chance to extract it from the axle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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