Ems Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I've got a early xe with the dizzy on the back. I'll be using the standard injection system. I've read various forums and opinions seem to vary on the following? Does the bulkhead need any mods? Will the Manta servo be in the way? What throttle cable do I need? If I want to move the dizzy to the front can the 1.8 bracket be used and what else do I need? I got a new Ashley Manifold with the engine, will this need any modifications to fit? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmanta xe Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 use standard c20xe cable dizzy will stick out far into the heater box u are better off using later coil pack ecu set up servo wont get in the way but servo vac pipe is a bit of a pain needs altering water pipes need sorting retro power sell them tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ems Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share Posted June 21, 2013 If I change it to the later coil pack will I need the wiring loom and ecu? Are there any other parts I need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmanta xe Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 (edited) i have all the bits inlet different cam small cover for the back of the head where dizzy goes coil pack ecu loom airflow meter all c20xe 16v cals and cavs after 93 2yrs have them bits think ecu is pt yours is GA or GQ my guess its up to you if you want to loose your heater or not you can go front dizzy drive route is the other way to suit your set up Edited June 21, 2013 by redmanta xe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ems Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share Posted June 21, 2013 All I know is the engine I've got has a coscast head, the wiring loom has a octane plug and the ecu is possibly FP. So if I went dis pack I'll have to change the inlet, ecu, cam, wiring, etc and fit a lambda sensor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rutts Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 inlet is same. yes about other parts. you will need a lambda sensor for later dizzy engine anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantasrme Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 To answer your questions: The bulkhead doesn't NEED modifying to get the engine in but taking a little off the lip dead centre makes it easier to get the water pipe on/off Servo isn't a problem, don't remember vac pipe being a major issue either think i just used the manta top half and astra lower with the one way valve joining the 2 Throttle cable is a standard manta one, pretty sure its GT/e one but its been a while since i fitted one now. As for the dizzy it fits where the heater box is (you can see the line in the pic above where the heater comes to and the rotor arm would be in it never mind the dizzy cap) So you can either remove the heater and mount it elsewhere. I mounted it where the battery used to be but boxed inside the car so no engine bay fumes, next one i will be using one of the new micro heaters along the bulkhead in the engine bay. But there are several options out there now Or you can relocate the dizzy to the front of the engine (never done it that way myself so can't help with how to, but if you do that might as well run carbs) Or convert to a dispack xe setup, which means changing the ECU and Wiring loom, adding a cam sensor to rear of head, blocking oilway in exhaust camshaft, adding coilpack, adding lambda sensor and boss to exhaust Little extra XE info for you The early XE with the dizzy came in 2 flavours, the first were 20XE without a cat and without a lambda, then they changed to C20XE with both cat and lambda before changing to the later dispak version. The 20XE has a different loom than the C20XE as there is no provision for the lambda and also either the throttle body sensor or AFM are different plugs if i remember rightly (could actually be both) I have a 20XE in my rally car so can check the plugs if need be but if your loom doesn't have a lambda plug then its a 20XE if it does its a C20XE While any XE ecu will run with a dizzy engine some run better thn others. The earlier engine when matched with the right ECU gives the most power of any standard XE setup (hence why its in my car ) and is much more responsive all round. I tried 3 different ones back to back on my local fresh air dyno (long uphill section just down the road) and its a noticable difference The dizzy is the biggest issue with fitting the XE in a manta, if its a road car Dispak is very easy but a little less power and technically tighter emmision standards for the MOT If its a rally car then the earlier 20XE and a bit of work for the heater is my choice (but i like the power ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ems Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share Posted June 21, 2013 I won't be doing any road rallies with my new Manta, but just modifying the heater seems the easier route at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garymanc Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 earth pin 20 on the ECU is supposed to do away with the need for a lambda sensor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutty2006 Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 I have a dispack on mine didn't need to modify the bulkhead as it doesn't foul but should have as the new heater pipe rubs the bulkhead and will cause issues down the line, I bought a mounting bracket to run 1800 dissy off the front. I don't need it so if you want it give me a shout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Abbott Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 The biggest pain in the arse is the bottom hose small outlet into the bigger manifold inlet with it's 's' type bend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ems Posted June 23, 2013 Author Share Posted June 23, 2013 I haven't got a air filter or any pipework for it. Would a induction kit like a 57i be any good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16vGraham Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 A 57i kit would be ideal.i run one on my c20Xe setup. i also have an Ashley exhaust manifold. it is a good fit but I did have to adjust (bend) it slightly to clear the suspension outrigger. i also fitted the socket for the lambda sensor to the manifold just after all the pipes join into one. on the heater front, i grafted a VW polo heater onto the original manta flange. this just clears the distributer but I need to either replace it or add some ducting as the air intake sits in the engine bay next to the dizzy. My manta is in its garage at the moment so i wont be able to get you any photograhs for a couple of days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ems Posted July 20, 2013 Author Share Posted July 20, 2013 Just found the engine number and it's a C20XE, what Lambda sensor, etc do I need. Also what 57i kit will I need for this engine - I haven't got any pipework or airbox. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ems Posted January 23, 2014 Author Share Posted January 23, 2014 Various parts for the fuel injection have corroded quite badly so I might change it to dispack. Will any c20xe dispack system fit? Do I need to change the exhaust cam? Do I need a blanking plate where the distributor used to be or does a sensor go there? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rutts Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 exhaust cam needed and yes a sensor goes on the end of it also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ems Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 Does anyone know what fittings I need for the XE fuel rail? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toj28 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 <embed width="600" height="361" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" wmode="transparent" src="http://static.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid876.photobucket.com/albums/ab321/69tussy/mobile159_zps0f6cda87.mp4"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toj28 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 <embed width="600" height="361" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" wmode="transparent" src="http://static.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid876.photobucket.com/albums/ab321/69tussy/mobile159_zps0f6cda87.mp4"> this is how ive done mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ems Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 Thanks, but I need to know what size thread (JIC, etc) fuel fitting I need for the fuel rail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toj28 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I used the standard fittings from a Vauxhall zafera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro Power Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 the fittings are metric, and off the top of my head I can't remember whether they are m12 x 1.5 or m14 x 1.5, its one of the other! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorblue5 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 The best option is to use the micro heater box. From what i hear they are brilliant pices of kit. Your other option of course woukd be to save alot of money and fire an Ecotec in it, for the same money as an XE conversion you could have a Z20LET installed negating the need for bulkhead mods ecu giggery pokery etc. I have a Manta sitting on my drive with a 2.0 ecotec engine fitted and it runs a treat, im even thinking about using a Z20LET in my new build..... just thinking mind lol. I know the 'newage' engines get a bad wrap but its a cheap way of getting more power and a good level of reliability. I've personally had 4 Xe/Let engines and all throw up the same issues sooner or later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ems Posted February 4, 2014 Author Share Posted February 4, 2014 For future reference does the 1.8 sump and gearbox fit onto a Z20 engine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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