TJ101 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Good Evening All New member, and just bought a 84 GTE hatch in Silver , Has a few previously back on the day ! So apologize for the questions which i guess will pop up,, First one , Has anyone any info on the work that Torque Developments of Essex used to do ?? Think this one has had some subtle eng mods done ?? Thanks for any info there may be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessopia74 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Welcome to the Forum Tim. sorry can't help with the question, specifically. but subtle mods would usually be lighten and balance bottom end, slight port porting (and possibly larger valves fitted), maybe a camshaft change. Do you have any evidence like a receipt or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ101 Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share Posted January 5, 2021 Evening Jess I have a plate, attached to the l/hand front strut top, with a date (Nov 89) and listing Capacity (2.2), Head (X Pack) and Cam number ( M145) plus timing & valve clearance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessopia74 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 2.2 head is a good upgrade to std unit, so that more than likely means the injection plenum will be the 2.2 unit too as the ports are higher than the 2.0 . Don't recognise the cam designation, but if it has gaps specified then it's on solid followers so will be better than the Kent op214. Have you checked the engine number? Maybe it is a 2.2 lump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-400 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 The German firm "Mantzel" uses always a "M" and a number on their cams. Got a catalogue of 1988 and I can find M15; M16; M17 and M22 made for CIH engines. I googled that firm "Torque devolepments" and they still excist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monaco Blue Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 2 hours ago, TJ101 said: Evening Jess I have a plate, attached to the l/hand front strut top, with a date (Nov 89) and listing Capacity (2.2), Head (X Pack) and Cam number ( M145) plus timing & valve clearance If you hadn't mentioned 'Torque Developments' I would have said it might have been modified in a similar fashion to what Blydenstein did back in the 80's. Sounds very similar what with the 2.2 head and uprated cam. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEPETE Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Welcome to the club Tim. Mark at Torque developments started importing "Mantzel" tuning parts in the 80s/90s including for the 2.7 engine conversion. If I recall correctly ( I have 3 of his camshafts somewhere), he continued to use hydraulic lifters with his cams....some of his conversions were tested by magazines. I remember a 2.2 being included, and the tester claimed it was as good as the 2.7 conversion.....He also fitted the supercharger to Richard Lamb's (ERL) 3.0 Mantzel wide body Manta...I have a copy of the mag somewhere.....it will be interesting to see the reg of the 2.2. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ101 Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 Thank you all, for the input I did ring Mark today, seams its a 2.2 Block, Big Valve head with solid lifters and uprated cam Picking the car up at the weekend, so will know more then, and see how i can post pictures here, with the TD plate etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
®evo03 Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 On 05/01/2021 at 20:53, TJ101 said: Cam number ( M145) Would it be M14.5, maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEPETE Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 This is the magazine featuring Torque Development's tuning parts. They tested a 2.2 Manta, reg number D265 NKE ......interestingly the 2.2 and 2.7 had the same 160bhp...good read over 4 pages...mentions the X pack head spec option...plus suspension options from Magard... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CUSTOM-CAR-MAGAZINE-OCTOBER-1987-PRO-STREET-U-K-LS/274065230757?hash=item3fcf8f8ba5:g:h0oAAOSwdGFYoxxV 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ101 Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share Posted January 7, 2021 Hi Def says Capacity 2.2 Cam Type M145R Head Type X Pack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessopia74 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 165 for a 2,2 is pretty good imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
execman Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 both my 2.7 88 Exclusive couple and my best mate's 80 srb coupe 2.2 CIH's were built at Torque Developments; dont know how much my mate's conversion cost, as he had his done about a year before mine, but the total bill for mine, (which was carried out in 96), was £4995. this felt steep at the time, but as the work on my mates 2.2 was excellent, and he's a manta nut, I decided to go ahead as the standard 2.0 performance couldnt compare. he runs twin 40 Weber carbs and I EFI. I have JE pistons and rods, along with a 2nd hand Mantzel crank-which needed extensive regrounding, as it was in a state.(the JE's from the US were more easily available than Mahle's at the time, but were expensive). I can say performance of both engines feels similar, although I have more torque. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessopia74 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 40s with the 36mm chokes is a bit on the small side for a 2,2 really, so your probably about right power wise. He could do with 45 Jenveys and full ign map to unleash it lol. But yeah, 5K mod would gave been sone serious investment back in mid 90s 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
execman Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 twin 40's was all the could afford at the time, and along with their fast road cam, he was, (and still is), happy enough wih the performance. he's since swapped to their milder cam, (so its not as revvy), as it kept failing the MOT on emissions at the time. i still have the same fast road cam in mine. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessopia74 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 45 minutes ago, execman said: twin 40's was all the could afford at the time, and along with their fast road cam, he was, (and still is), happy enough wih the performance. he's since swapped to their milder cam, (so its not as revvy), as it kept failing the MOT on emissions at the time. i still have the same fast road cam in mine. Indeed, I can well imagine. Cars look great 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEPETE Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, execman said: twin 40's was all the could afford at the time, and along with their fast road cam, he was, (and still is), happy enough wih the performance. he's since swapped to their milder cam, (so its not as revvy), as it kept failing the MOT on emissions at the time. i still have the same fast road cam in mine. Good to hear from you Danny is that painted in M3 Dakar Yellow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ101 Posted January 8, 2021 Author Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) Hopefully a picture of the TD plate ? Edited January 8, 2021 by TJ101 Trying to sort a picture :) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
execman Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 its GM Pineapple yellow Pete; i was going to repaint it the original Monaco Blue, but a late 90's Astra of that colour pulled up alongside me one day, and i was hooked. I intend to repaint with the same colour later this year, funds permitting. taken at Billing in 2009: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessopia74 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 It suits the car p😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny D114BCW Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 I am on the look out for an X-Pack head so if anybody has anymore information let me know. I would also be interested in the cam too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
®evo03 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Came across an old manta magic mag today, had this torque development write up reprinted, maybe same article as mag above, interesting read. Alot of info, and specs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ101 Posted March 12, 2021 Author Share Posted March 12, 2021 9 hours ago, ®evo03 said: Came across an old manta magic mag today, had this torque development write up reprinted, maybe same article as mag above, interesting read. Alot of info, and specs. Hi Evo Could you posted a picture / copy ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisb Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 On 11/01/2021 at 14:26, execman said: its GM Pineapple yellow Pete; i was going to repaint it the original Monaco Blue, but a late 90's Astra of that colour pulled up alongside me one day, and i was hooked. I intend to repaint with the same colour later this year, funds permitting. taken at Billing in 2009: Wow, not seen these for a long time Danny, Hope you and Andrew are well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
®evo03 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Have you got a email address, could photograph it and email to you, anyone else want it just shout with an email address! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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